TONGUES is a precious gift from God

What is your Faith Belief?

You claim the Gifts still exist, but you believe there are no examples of them being used properly?

No, I just believe that by all appearances the Spirit doesn't manifest in signs and wonders at this time. I see a lot of so-called signs and wonders, some even done in accordance with Biblical teaching; but they lack anything truly miraculous. What's miraculous about someone getting before an audience and talking gibberish and someone then supposedly translating? Anyone can do that. How about something not any common con artist can't do.

Then you have so-called faith healers. Apparently stepping out on faith for a healing is okay. But when you challenge someone to drink poison or pick up a poisonous snake (a healthy one, not a sick and half-dead one like snake handlers use) they immediately say that would be testing God. If that's testing God, why isn't it testing God when you go to a faith healer to be healed?

Then there's the case of the infamous Peter Popoff, who supposedly had great powers of miraculous knowledge until James Randi exposed him using an earpiece and was being fed information from prayer cards.

Common sense bro, common sense.

TMS, post: 4751626, member: 217057"]feeling come and go, and the question i would like to know is how do you know if the feelings and the spirit is from God?

The devil can speak to us and the demons can impress us with thoughts...

why are cessationists so quick to acknowledge what the devil can do and so slow to acknowledge what the Holy Spirit does? oh by all means do try the spirits, but do so in fairness and with a heart that is open to hear from God

Try the spirits......

Which spirit is from God? our only way of knowing is by testing the spirits and we can only do that by using the bible as the standard.

you can only do that if your interpretation/understanding is biblical. if a cessationist comes along, that is unlikely to be the case

The churches that hold the bible high as their standard of truth do not speak in tongues. There are many people in these churches that love God and are full of the Spirit of God yet they do no speak in tongues and i see people in some churches claiming they are filled with the spirit because they feel it and speak in tongues as a result, yet they are living a life with habitual sin.

that is easily refutable. cessationists do not own the Bible...they only own their own beliefs which do not line up with scripture. habitual sin is not the lonely habitat of those claiming to be filled with the Spirit/speaking in tongues.

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why does it take worldly newspapers to uncover the hidden sin? God sees it all....don't cover up sin...expose it according to the Bible

there are many many other examples. all denoms have a history of abuse of one nature or another. glossing over the guilt of anyone not Pentecostal or Charismatic, is a petty thing to do and easily exposed for the lie that it is


The word is clear on the topic and the honest reader will see that speaking in tongues is a gift for the purpose of spreading the gospel when language barriers are stopping it.

not true. you cessationists handily ignore or twist what Paul teaches concerning the private use of tongues. you are not fooling anyone...we all can read what is actually taught and not the twisted version cessationists would like to share. the gifts of the Spirit, which would and do include tongues, are given to edify or build up the church (believers). the Holy Spirit is given for power to the believer to testify of Christ. the Holy Spirit is given to empower the believer

Research the history and the origins of the modern form of tongues and you can see a spirit of confusion.

history has been researched many times on this forum and the confusion seems to be in the comprehension of those who deny history and Paul's teaching on the use of tongues

The devil will deceive the very elect and when Jesus had fasted for 40 days The devil talked to Him quoting scripture to cause Him to sin. The devil will appear as Jesus and talk like he is Jesus so don't think it is always the truth.

that is also a spin. the Bible does NOT say the very elect will be deceived. here is the correct wording:

If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:24

We need to test the spirits and know if it is truth or error.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I don't regard your feelings as truth i regard the word of God as truth.

apparently you do not regard passages of scripture that are uncomfortable for you as truth either

I do not take the word of cessationists for the above reasons and a number of others. you twist scripture to attempt to create a different meaning and outright ignore or deny what you should test yourself. perhaps test why you ignore what Paul teaches and also ignore the fact that tongues is actually both a sign and a gift and there are instructions for the private use of tongues....you just simply deny those things or ignore them. you do not do yourself what you tell others to do!

1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

again, you are passing over, ignoring and denying what Paul teaches on the use of tongues in private. Paul says DO NOT FORBID THE SPEAKING IN TONGUES....but cessationists do this in order to create a false doctrine.

The word tongues are from the same Greek word and means languages. acts 2 makes that clear.

well it isn't clear. it certainly does not qualify as an explanation for what Paul writes here:

13Therefore, the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15What then shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
I Corinthians 14

Paul differentiates between knowing what he is saying and not knowing what he is saying regarding prayer. the fact cessationists wish to dismiss this obvious rebuttal to their insistence that all tongues are known languages, is both alarming and sad

How many televangelist/preachers are there? 100 max?

What about the small churches where you would never find the example that we can see on television? The majority of all Churches I have visited, whether they be Cessation/Continualist have all discredited television preachers. There is a reason they discredit them. There is a reason they do not allow what they see on television happen within the local Church. Are these local Churches doing wrong?

The one thing that seems to be lacking in this whole discussion is common sense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's right in front of your face. I'm not a linguist and know little to nothing about linguistics; but I don't need to. I've lived long enough in this world to know a rat when I see one.

I'm not a linguist and know little to nothing about linguistics; but I don't need to.

I've been to a lot of regular local churches and I've never once seen anyone perform a miraculous sign that couldn't easily be faked. Or which at first appeared to be a miracle but only later turned to disappointment; like when people think they've been healed when a symptom like pain is temporarily relieved, only to return later and they realize no miracle has been done at all.

I know of miraculous healings and other things that might be considered miraculous, but they were performed directly by God through prayer, not by a person who can supposedly perform miracles.

@Kavik,

Are you a Satanist?

That explains the Discernment concerning kavic!

Thank You!

I was wondering why I felt like he was not a Follower of Christ and trying to Deceive those within this Thread.

I am being accused of misinterpreting the scriptures and not understanding them. i see a one or two bible verses to show me that i am wrong but these are easily explained, i quote Bible verses continually, yet i am accused of being wrong and twisting the truth, Lets let God decide. i am not accusing anyone of being saved or lost, of being close to God or not. We all stand before the judgement of God individually. I have shown you from the bible why i do not agree with the type of tongues that are practiced today, if you are interested in reading the bible verses go to the posts #44 to #66 (In that area).

1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

So, by your answer, You are claiming there is a big difference between the local church and what is seen on television.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's no difference at all when it comes to fakery: televangelists do it; megachurches do it; small local churches do it. It's all about the money.

If someone can convince you they have miraculous powers that means they must be in close proximity to God. So when this person tells you it's your duty to tithe, maybe even double tithe, how can you question "God's anoited?"

is there no lament you will not voice?...now its the money changers who have captured your ire

I understand you are doing your best to prove tongues do not exist, but you cannot do that

but go ahead, swing at the wind. maybe you need the exercise

ps: he told me he was putting me on ignore, so I doubt he will respond.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's no difference at all when it comes to fakery: televangelists do it; megachurches do it; small local churches do it. It's all about the money.

If someone can convince you they have miraculous powers that means they must be in close proximity to God. So when this person tells you it's your duty to tithe, maybe even double tithe, how can you question "God's anoited?"

Thanks for the insight.

I agree with most of it. Here's the thing with "interpretation" - Interpretations are typically characterized by being inordinately longer than the actual glossic utterance, rather generic and non-specific in nature, and perhaps not surprisingly, open to multiple non-related ‘interpretations’. In other words, have ten interpreters listen to a glossic string and you’ll get ten different (typically unrelated) “interpretations”. In ‘tongues’, ‘The big brown dog is slow’, can also be ‘The small white cat is quick’. These latter two characteristics (‘generic-ness’ and multiple interpretations) do not suggest anything that is divinely inspired. It fails even the most basic tests and criteria that define ‘communication’ itself.

This leads to the conclusion that, like modern tongues-speech, 'interpretations' may also be said to be a self-created phenomenon; a ‘spiritual improv’ of sorts, inspired by one’s deep faith and beliefs.

A common come-back to the multiple interpretation issue is that God/the Holy Spirit gives different interpretations to different people. As one writer put it rather succinctly, “Pentecostal Darwinism does not exist – there’s no mutation or transformation of one message into several for the sake of justifying what is an obvious discrepancy. If this were the case, it would completely eradicate the need for ‘tongues’ in the first place”.

Yeah, I noticed that with many of these videos, the first thing you're sort of given for information is where to send your money.

Here's the thing with "interpretation" - Interpretations are typically characterized by being inordinately longer than the actual glossic utterance, rather generic and non-specific in nature, and perhaps not surprisingly, open to multiple non-related ‘interpretations’

@Kavik,

Are you a Satanist?

If someone can convince you they have miraculous powers that means they must be in close proximity to God. So when this person tells you it's your duty to tithe, maybe even double tithe, how can you question "God's anoited?"

When the local Church is Family, Friends, local people of a small town or community, just how much of this actually happens before getting caught?

None of the Churches I attended would do something that Mary Jo, and Billy Bob, and Peggy Sue, could smear your name and ruin you in a heartbeat!

So, once again, and be practical using literal Common Sense, the majority of Small Churches you would never find being done what you see on television.