Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

Are you sure? Some people have composure even while on fire. Remember that monk who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnam War? Homebody didn't even cry out.

No man can cry "I am in torment in this flame" if he's on fire. All you will hear is him shrieking in unspeakable pain until he's no longer conscious.

It's...a...parable.

Monks practice DEMONIC RELIGION and likely had demonic assistance blocking pain, much like practitoners of demonic martial arts. Remember the guy who stood around a group of pro football players and had them simultaneously throat punch him from all directions?

A normal man with no supernatural assistance will only shriek and wail.

The scriptures you use to teach this are statements from people who are not trying to teach what happens to the dead but merely statements about their own limited assumptions of what happens to the dead in the context of making a point about their current conditions they found themselves dealing with.

Also, if a Hebrew slave chooses not to leave after his master dismisses him, he can opt to "remain his slave forever" which means he'll be slaving away for his master in heaven, right?

"Forever" (Gr. "Aionios") means "duration - either undefined BUT NOT ENDLESS, or undefined because endless".

All scholars agree when "forever" is applied to the affairs of God it means "eternity", but when applied to the affairs of men, it usually means "all the days of life".

Do you church pastors ever mention that? Do the pastors you listen to on the TV and radio ever mention that? OF COURSE NOT. They know how lucrative FEARMONGERING can be, and nothing fills the church coffers faster than Christians who want nothing to do with obedience to God's commandments desperately trying to buy ecclesiastical fire insurance.

Really? God doesn't want us to have a clear understanding about the state of the dead so we can avoid satanic deception? I think very much so.

The reason Solomon said the dead know nothing, understand nothing, display no emotions, have anymore to do with the affairs of this life, etc., is so that we have clear understanding that in death there is no existence. Your borrowing pagan false doctrine that traces its roots all the way back to the Serpent in Eden, "Ye shall not SURELY die".

I will google what the SDA thinks that the parable teaches. The one brother's explanation was way too long and could not be mapped to anything Jesus actually said. I don't know if you ever gave your idea of what the parable lesson was supposed to be. But I will google SDA explanation as I am sure that is what you probably think also.

I'm not reading the annihilation of the soul in Genesis 3:7, just how the soul was brought into being by God.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I'm curious, what do you think is the punishment of the sinner? Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die.

9 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

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1 Corinthians 15:53-54
New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition
53 For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will be fulfilled:

‘Death has been swallowed up in victory.’

Annihilationism is a heretical doctrine. I’d be wary of anyone claiming to know Christ while peddling this garbage.

Immortal Soul doctrine is from the pits of hell and more and more people are wising up to the truth, despite all those false pulpit prophets out there telling you all the Serpent, not God, spoke the truth about death.

1 Corinthians 15:53-54
New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition
53 For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will be fulfilled:

‘Death has been swallowed up in victory.’

Romans 2
Easy-to-Read Version
Let God Be the Judge
2 So do you think that you can judge those other people? You are wrong. You too are guilty of sin. You judge them, but you do the same things they do. So when you judge them, you are really condemning yourself. 2 God judges all who do such things, and we know his judgment is right. 3 And since you do the same things as those people you judge, surely you understand that God will punish you too. How could you think you would be able to escape his judgment? 4 God has been kind to you. He has been very patient, waiting for you to change. But you think nothing of his kindness. Maybe you don’t understand that God is kind to you so that you will decide to change your lives.

5 But you are so stubborn! You refuse to change. So you are making your own punishment greater and greater. You will be punished on the day when God will show his anger. On that day everyone will see how right God is to judge people. 6 He will reward or punish everyone for what they have done. 7 Some people live for God’s glory, for honor, and for life that cannot be destroyed. They live for those things by always continuing to do good. God will give eternal life to them. 8 But others are selfish and refuse to follow truth. They follow evil. God will show his anger and punish them. 9 He will give trouble and suffering to everyone who does evil—to the Jews first and also to those who are not Jews. 10 But he will give glory, honor, and peace to everyone who does good—to the Jews first and also to those who are not Jews. 11 God judges everyone the same. It doesn’t matter who they are.

12 People who have the law and those who have never heard of the law are all the same when they sin. People who don’t have the law and are sinners will be lost. And, in the same way, those who have the law and are sinners will be judged by the law. 13 Hearing the law does not make people right with God. They will be right before him only if they always do what the law says.

14 Those who are not Jews don’t have the law. But when they naturally do what the law commands without even knowing the law, then they are their own law. This is true even though they don’t have the written law. 15 They show that in their hearts they know what is right and wrong, the same as the law commands, and their consciences agree. Sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done wrong, and this makes them guilty. And sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done right, and this makes them not guilty.

16 All this will happen on the day when God will judge people’s secret thoughts through Jesus Christ. This is part of the Good News that I tell everyone.

The Jews and the Law
17 What about you? You say you are a Jew. You trust in the law and proudly claim to be close to God. 18 You know what God wants you to do. And you know what is important, because you have learned the law. 19 You think you are a guide for people who don’t know the right way, a light for those who are in the dark. 20 You think you can show foolish people what is right. And you think you are a teacher for those who are just beginning to learn. You have the law, and so you think you know everything and have all truth. 21 You teach others, so why don’t you teach yourself? You tell them not to steal, but you yourself steal. 22 You say they must not commit adultery, but you yourself are guilty of that sin. You hate idols, but you steal them from their temples. 23 You are so proud that you have God’s law, but you bring shame to God by breaking his law. 24 As the Scriptures say, “People in other nations insult God because of you.”[a]

25 If you follow the law, then your circumcision has meaning. But if you break the law, then it is as if you were never circumcised. 26 Those who are not Jews are not circumcised. But if they do what the law says, it is as if they were circumcised. 27 You have the written law and circumcision, but you break the law. So those who are not circumcised in their bodies, but still obey the law, will show that you are guilty.

28 You are not a true Jew if you are only a Jew in your physical body. True circumcision is not only on the outside of the body. 29 A true Jew is one who is a Jew inside. True circumcision is done in the heart. It is done by the Spirit, not by the written law. And anyone who is circumcised in the heart by the Spirit gets praise from God, not from people.



Verse 8 does not say they will be wiped out completely, nor does it discuss bodies of the resurrected. Nor, in verse 7 it does not discuss the bodies of the righteous.

You repeatedly pull verses out of context. Even Satan can do that.

Beware this guy.

I NEVER pull verses out of context.

Look, pal, are you going to open your Bible and start making a case for your Serpent theology, or just sit on the sidelines shouting maledictions at the players like a coward?

What if anything would convince OP it’s not a parable? If he can’t answer this then what’s the point of 27 pages trying to convince him?

Thanks for making my point. Supernatural can be demonic or godly. The monk may have been aided by demonic forces. The burning man may have been aided by godly forces. At least you concede what is plainly possible.