Did God ever make a covenant with America?

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ResidentAlien

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We know the founders made covenants with God, to obey Him and to make the new world a base from which to spread the good news; and to pass laws that were based on divine principles and His will.

However, how do we know God ever made a covenant with them? Does He make special covenants other than the covenant to forgive our sins through His Son's sacrifice?

Jesus said in Matthew 5: "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.' But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one."

Isn't the "covenant" the founders made with God a bit like an oath?

Based on the patriotic fervor that has gripped certain segments of Christianity, can we now say that for them, patriotism, and the keeping of the covenant made by the founders, has replaced God's true covenant as the means of salvation?
 
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RichMan

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All covenants made by God are signed with the blood of the innocent.
So the answer is no.
 

studentoftheword

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I don't believe God made a Covenant with America -----I think America made their own Covenant with God -----and of course they have broken their own Covenant -----not surprising I would say ---man making a Covenant with God -----is going to Fail -----Just like the Israelite's failed to keep the laws they said they could keep ------ We Humans are flawed individuals ------

America's 'Explicit Covenant with God': How a Nation Pledged to God Can Save a World…or Lose It

A 4 min Video

 
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Omegatime

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My answer is No, but maybe what made America great is thru the jewish people--

Genesis 12:3

I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves.”
 

Lanolin

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No
The mormons though, believe the new Jerusalem is actually Salt Lake City. Its not...but they are entitled to their delusions.
 

JaumeJ

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It seems no one has actually learned the history of the colonial America, how adn why it came into being the US

No one seems to understand nor read the US Constitution. let alone understand what it represents.
It would be wonderful having a nation under God, but it never has been so nor ever will be.

The only nation under God is the Kingdom under the King, Yeshua.

It seems these same people are just as ignorant as to what the Israel today is. Actually, it seems many believe it is eternal, and this is sad.

All who believe Jesus Yesua are the Israel fo God, and this one is eternal. Payi more attention to what documents are saying before standing as though you understand them.
 
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What Covenant with God?

The Treaty of Tripoli specifically states by John Adams that:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion
 

ResidentAlien

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No one has addressed the actual point of this thread: Do some Christians trust more in their patriotism to save them than God's grace?
 
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Omegatime

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No one has addressed the actual point of this thread: Do some Christians trust more in their patriotism to save them than God's grace?
Thank you for clarifying your thread. Nobody I associate with believes patrotism saves them
 

ResidentAlien

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Thank you for clarifying your thread. Nobody I associate with believes patrotism saves them
No one will come out and say, yeah my patriotism saves me. But do they betray what's in their hearts by their actions? That seems to me to be the case with the hyper-patriotic crowd.
 
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No one will come out and say, yeah my patriotism saves me. But do they betray what's in their hearts by their actions? That seems to me to be the case with the hyper-patriotic crowd.
Isn't this the same as 2 billion people professing to be Christian/Catholic, but in reality, there's only hundreds of millions?
 
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Omegatime

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Coming from the mountains of Pennsylvania it may seem that way and when I look at those who may look to fit into your assessment. I see God, family, friends and guns in this order. This is how our rural community thinks. And to be truthful I know of no professing atheists or hyper patriots.
 

Roughsoul1991

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We know the founders made covenants with God, to obey Him and to make the new world a base from which to spread the good news; and to pass laws that were based on divine principles and His will.

However, how do we know God ever made a covenant with them? Does He make special covenants other than the covenant to forgive our sins through His Son's sacrifice?

Jesus said in Matthew 5: "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.' But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one."

Isn't the "covenant" the founders made with God a bit like an oath?

Based on the patriotic fervor that has gripped certain segments of Christianity, can we now say that for them, patriotism, and the keeping of the covenant made by the founders, has replaced God's true covenant as the means of salvation?
I believe oath is more accurate with the concept of divine blessing not a covenant.

The scriptures inform us about a nation who follows God will be blessed while one who doesn't may prosper for awhile but they will be destroyed.

Of course, we are part of the iron and clay fragmented prophecy so I do believe the fall of any major nation may be the start of the tribulation.

It is really simple that the founders wanted the nation to succeed so they had the Bible put within the foundation of everything. Anytime the nation faced evil or internal problems the president would call for national repentance and prayer so they the nation would remember God who had blessed them in the creation of the nation.

This was evident to the founders and the Colonists through the divine miracles of the Revolutionary War and the victory against the worlds largest army of the British.

Even Washington was considered a walking miracle as he was named by the enemy “the man who would not die”.