what are your thoughts of Apostle Kathryn Krick

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CS1

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I saw this woman on FB and then on Youtube and her deliverance ministry. I am posting this because I see she is part of the church known as 5Fold Church.

I am only wanting a biblical response to please to her teaching and what you see in the videos/ Teaching. If you are just going to say comments that are insulting, please just move on.

Thank you

 

Artios1

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*I always look at the movement ….some looks real…. some you can see she is propelling herself through her own volition…..When a devil spirit is in control…. all movement is involuntary not purposely and frequently, it is considerably more aggressive.

*When she discharges the spit or whatever ….it’s voluntary not the type of vial ectoplasm you would see coming from a possessed person. ….and typically not what the exorcist portrayed.


*No tears when she is crying…


*The length of time seems to be for show… When rebuking or casting out devils spirits they may be reluctant and fight back a little but they are leaving rather quickly when you command them to do so.


*The name of Jesus who is our authority is never used …until afterwards when Kathryn is jumping up and down “Praise Jesus”



I am going to rate this at a 3 for acting…. not for reality
 

Dino246

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Just one comment to make: “apostle” is a role, not a title.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I saw this woman on FB and then on Youtube and her deliverance ministry. I am posting this because I see she is part of the church known as 5Fold Church.

I am only wanting a biblical response to please to her teaching and what you see in the videos/ Teaching. If you are just going to say comments that are insulting, please just move on.

Thank you

do you know what an apostle is ? What defines an apostle ?
 

CS1

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*I always look at the movement ….some looks real…. some you can see she is propelling herself through her own volition…..When a devil spirit is in control…. all movement is involuntary not purposely and frequently, it is considerably more aggressive.

*When she discharges the spit or whatever ….it’s voluntary not the type of vial ectoplasm you would see coming from a possessed person. ….and typically not what the exorcist portrayed.


*No tears when she is crying…


*The length of time seems to be for show… When rebuking or casting out devils spirits they may be reluctant and fight back a little but they are leaving rather quickly when you command them to do so.


*The name of Jesus who is our authority is never used …until afterwards when Kathryn is jumping up and down “Praise Jesus”



I am going to rate this at a 3 for acting…. not for reality
Ok thank you for your input did you hear anything that was said that was not clearly taught in the word of God that was said? IF you did please tell me what you have heard, thank you.
 

Artios1

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Ok thank you for your input did you hear anything that was said that was not clearly taught in the word of God that was said? IF you did please tell me what you have heard, thank you.
Other than not evoking the name of Jesus Christ who is our power and authority, I cannot clearly see anything out of line with the Word…… Not totally in line with true happenings, but not out of line or against.

The renouncing of different things ….Family death. lying …etc…..I found that a bit strange, but I chalked it up to the show. I mean, I guess that could happen…. I’ve never seen it or done it, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

Through my encounters, I will talk to the devil spirit, but only to ask their name and how many…that’s it…… Then out you go.

I was going to bring up something about afterwards with the “praise Jesus” but that would be analyzing this too far and speculating on something I can’t prove…
 

CS1

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Other than not evoking the name of Jesus Christ who is our power and authority, I cannot clearly see anything out of line with the Word…… Not totally in line with true happenings, but not out of line or against.

The renouncing of different things ….Family death. lying …etc…..I found that a bit strange, but I chalked it up to the show. I mean, I guess that could happen…. I’ve never seen it or done it, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

Through my encounters, I will talk to the devil spirit, but only to ask their name and how many…that’s it…… Then out you go.

I was going to bring up something about afterwards with the “praise Jesus” but that would be analyzing this too far and speculating on something I can’t prove…

OK, I will tell you.
Kathryn Krick holds to the belief that a saved Christian who has the Holy Spirit can be demon-possessed. What is wrong with that?


  1. I don't see that in the word of God or saying a Christian chat be possessed by a demon in the word of God
  2. as you noticed most who I saw in other video's appeared to be members of the church already wearing shirts, or logos of" Five F Church"
 

Artios1

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OK, I will tell you.
Kathryn Krick holds to the belief that a saved Christian who has the Holy Spirit can be demon-possessed. What is wrong with that?


  1. I don't see that in the word of God or saying a Christian chat be possessed by a demon in the word of God
  2. as you noticed most who I saw in other video's appeared to be members of the church already wearing shirts, or logos of" Five F Church"
Thank you for the statement and I will answer … and it may surprise you

I will also explain how I know the answer…. something I normally don’t disclose.

I will get back with you in a bit … I have to meet with some people for a while........
 

CS1

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Thank you for the statement and I will answer … and it may surprise you

I will also explain how I know the answer…. something I normally don’t disclose.

I will get back with you in a bit … I have to meet with some people for a while........
no problem :)
 

CS1

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do you know what an apostle is ? What defines an apostle ?
I just saw your qestion the Biblical meaning of an Apostle is "one who is sent"

The Gifts of Christ recorded in Eph 4 are prophets, apostles, evangelists, pastors & teachers. Those gifts are known as the Didomi.

The work of an apostle is more important than the title of one. Peter was an Apostle Because HE saw the risen LORD and was called and sent BY the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the difference between "A" and "a" Apostles.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I just saw your qestion the Biblical meaning of an Apostle is "one who is sent"

The Gifts of Christ recorded in Eph 4 are prophets, apostles, evangelists, pastors & teachers. Those gifts are known as the Didomi.

The work of an apostle is more important than the title of one. Peter was an Apostle Because HE saw the risen LORD and was called and sent BY the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the difference between "A" and "a" Apostles.
“one who is sent" yeah that’s the definition of the word for sure. I was sort of inquiring as to the op and how they understood an apostle to address the post.

was sort of getting to this point in Jesus kingdom there are only 12 apostles

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but I’m sure there are many who call themselves apostles. The twelve in the Bible( Paul chosen to replace Judas by Jesus himself ) all have thkngs in common

they all met Jesus face to face d he himself called and appointed and anointed then with the holy spirit specifically to spread the gospel to all the world and today when we open the New Testament we can still hear the apostles of Jesus christs true witness of the gospel.

I have met people who called the me selves apostles before I don’t see that the same at all. I believe there are twelve names of the apostles of Christ Jesus that will be recognized by Christ Jesus

there are twelve according to the number of tribes of Israel

“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because they will judge the 12 tribes of Israel They also all faced great persecutions including Paul and were hated and persecuted by Old Testament Israel.

Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think God has to choose and appoint apostles himself but that’s only my opinion
 

CS1

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“one who is sent" yeah that’s the definition of the word for sure. I was sort of inquiring as to the op and how they understood an apostle to address the post.

was sort of getting to this point in Jesus kingdom there are only 12 apostles

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but I’m sure there are many who call themselves apostles. The twelve in the Bible( Paul chosen to replace Judas by Jesus himself ) all have things in common

they all met Jesus face to face d he himself called and appointed and anointed then with the holy spirit specifically to spread the gospel to all the world and today when we open the New Testament we can still hear the apostles of Jesus christs true witness of the gospel.

I have met people who called the me selves apostles before I don’t see that the same at all. I believe there are twelve names of the apostles of Christ Jesus that will be recognized by Christ Jesus

there are twelve according to the number of tribes of Israel

“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because they will judge the 12 tribes of Israel They also all faced great persecutions including Paul and were hated and persecuted by Old Testament Israel.

Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think God has to choose and appoint apostles himself but that’s only my opinion
Yes, I see your point too, however, Paul was not chosen to replace Judas. Paul was chosen by Christ for a specific work.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, I see your point too, however, Paul was not chosen to replace Judas. Paul was chosen by Christ for a specific work.
Yes the same specific work as the other apostles to witness the truth of the gospel to all the world all nations

the eleven

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is the twelfth added by Jesus himself for the same purpose to witness the gospel of the kingdom to all people Jew first then gentile

“But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The apostles are simply Christs witnesses who were chosen to preach The one gospel of his kingdom to all nations to all the world ot doesn’t matter if we hear the message from Paul , Peter , John it’s all the same message of the gospel being true.

the apostles were a team of witnesses chosen by Christ to establish the gospel in the earth and again we can still today read thier eye witness of his glory John , Peter , Paul , James , Jude the book of Hebrews all of it is witnessing the gospel infact the law and prophets are also wot easing the gospel from beforehand in prophecy as the apostles were witnessing what they saw and touched now that he had come forth as the ot foretold by Gods word

Which apostles name doesn’t matter Jesus name matters they were all his chosen wotnesses to Jew first and then gentile. All they are is messengers of Christ and the gospel bearers of the good news testifying to us all that in Christ is our hope and faith

Paul’s purpose was the same as Peter and johns they were Jesus witnesses to his glory so we can hear and believe and be saved

Paul was never preaching anything other than the gospel ton The same folks the rest were , all creatures on earth who hear and believe ,gentile or Jew the message doesn’t change it’s the gospel of the kingdom

Paul is another part of this bekng fulfilled

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

first he preached the kingdom to Jews then when many of them rejected it he announced he would go to the Gentiles with the message of salvation ( something Peter had already done first ( acts 10)

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
( quotes a well known prophecy of israels blindness to Christ )

…..Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-24, 28, 30-31‬ ‭

They are all just Christs witnesses and servants for the same purpose preach the gospel to all the world
 

Aerials1978

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meaning Christ appeared to them in person and gave them annointingto witness the gospel to the world ?
The original 11, Matthias by lot, and Paul on the road to Damascus. Yes, these men where hand picked.
 

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OK, I will tell you.
Kathryn Krick holds to the belief that a saved Christian who has the Holy Spirit can be demon-possessed. What is wrong with that?
  1. I don't see that in the word of God or saying a Christian chat be possessed by a demon in the word of God
  2. as you noticed most who I saw in other video's appeared to be members of the church already wearing shirts, or logos of" Five F Church"
The Holy Spirit and a demon can not possess the same body. the only way a demon can possess the body of a saint is if the Holy Spirit left.
 

Artios1

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Thank you for the statement and I will answer … and it may surprise you

I will also explain how I know the answer…. something I normally don’t disclose.

I will get back with you in a bit … I have to meet with some people for a while........
I guess my answer won’t really surprise you now, since you probably figured out what my answer will be.

The answer to the question is…. Yes, born again Christian can become possessed with devil spirits. The only thing that cannot happen to a Christian is committing the unforgivable sin….That is only applicable to those not born again. No matter how far a Christian slides or how possessed a Christian becomes…the unforgivable sin is off the table….they cannot commit it.

Possession does not alter or affect the spirit of God we have within…. because possession is of the physical nature; be it any part of the body or mind….it’s all within the physical realm

The spirit of God is absolutely incorruptible it liveth and abideth forever….it’s unalterable and unremovable. You could no more remove or change the spirit of God, than you could remove the genetic seed of your earthly father within you ….and that genetic seed is in the physical realm.

When devil spirits (demons) possess they will take over all or part of a physical body..or mind.

BUT…Just like any natural person of body and soul… a Christian (body, soul and spirit) must open themselves up. However, Christians are less likely to open themselves up to possession because the majority live a different life.

Disclosure: (very surface level)

This field was my playground before God rescued me…that was a lifetime ago. When I say playground, I was a ranking priest for a coven outside Chicago for a few years….. Things went bad (actually good) … after meeting a girl who was a Christian. And it didn’t go well for me with the spirit friends I thought I controlled. But God who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us….literally pulled me out of the grips of death and kept me safe in his arms while I was transforming. Many things happened during that transformation that are still pretty raw…... I didn't realize it until I tried to get into depth with this, but I couldn’t.... I started reliving it and became an emotional blubber. But if you have any question maybe I can answer w/o becoming to emotional.
 
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Why would the Demons listen to her?
She never said I command by the Name of Yeshua.
Each time she instructed the Demons, she did it on her own Authority.

I've never seen Demons cast out before without using the Name they understand, Yeshua!
 

CS1

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I guess my answer won’t really surprise you now, since you probably figured out what my answer will be.

The answer to the question is…. Yes, born again Christian can become possessed with devil spirits. The only thing that cannot happen to a Christian is committing the unforgivable sin….That is only applicable to those not born again. No matter how far a Christian slides or how possessed a Christian becomes…the unforgivable sin is off the table….they cannot commit it.

Possession does not alter or affect the spirit of God we have within…. because possession is of the physical nature; be it any part of the body or mind….it’s all within the physical realm

The spirit of God is absolutely incorruptible it liveth and abideth forever….it’s unalterable and unremovable. You could no more remove or change the spirit of God, than you could remove the genetic seed of your earthly father within you ….and that genetic seed is in the physical realm.

When devil spirits (demons) possess they will take over all or part of a physical body..or mind.

BUT…Just like any natural person of body and soul… a Christian (body, soul and spirit) must open themselves up. However, Christians are less likely to open themselves up to possession because the majority live a different life.

Disclosure: (very surface level)

This field was my playground before God rescued me…that was a lifetime ago. When I say playground, I was a ranking priest for a coven outside Chicago for a few years….. Things went bad (actually good) … after meeting a girl who was a Christian. And it didn’t go well for me with the spirit friends I thought I controlled. But God who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us….literally pulled me out of the grips of death and kept me safe in his arms while I was transforming. Many things happened during that transformation that are still pretty raw…... I didn't realize it until I tried to get into depth with this, but I couldn’t.... I started reliving it and became an emotional blubber. But if you have any question maybe I can answer w/o becoming to emotional.
I would like to see where is the word of God does it say that a Christian who has the Holy Spirit can be demon-possessed?

In addition, the word of God very clearly says light has no fellowship with darkness. Unless the house that was clean is Found empty then it can be taken