The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

I rank you alongside of Runningman. He is pretty much a deer in the headlights when it comes to understanding Biblical eschatology too.

Here is the fulfillment of those 3 feasts as I see them.

The first two commemorative times are fulfilled during the 7 years, while the last one is fulfilled after the 7 years. They are key times that affect Israel`s temple and national deliverance.

Tisha B`Av - Mourning.

Israel will again mourn her sin and the desecration of their Holy Temple. The Global Leader, the anti-Christ, will get an image of himself set up in the Holy Place on this exact day of national mourning. This is the fulfilling of Jesus` prophecy concerning the `Abomination of desolation.`

`Therefore when you see the `abomination of desolation,` spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place.....` (Matt. 24: 15) ...flee!

`And he (the false prophet) deceives....telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast, (anti-Christ) ...` (Rev. 13: 14)

Hanukkah - Rededication.

When the Lord returns to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious, He comes in great glory and with the glory of His mighty angels. It is a special day that is quite dark then towards evening it will grow light. This is the Lord and His angelic army coming from heaven to this sinful earth. The brightness of the Lord`s glory destroys the world`s armies. (Zech. 14: 12 & 13)

`It shall come to pass in that day that there will be no light; the lights will diminish, it shall be one day which is known to the Lord - neither day nor night. But at the evening time it shall happen that it will be light.` (Zech. 14: 6 & 7)

When the Lord reveals Himself to the people of Israel, they go into mourning.

`They will look on me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for Him as one mourns for His only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first-born.` (Zech. 12: 10)

Finally the priests will cleanse the Temple and rededicate it to the Lord. (Dan. 8: 13 & 14)

Purim - National Deliverance & Celebration.

The Messiah will come and Israel will be delivered. The Jews will be brought to the land of Israel from all over the world.

`“Then they will bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord out of all the nations, on horses, and in chariots, and in litters, on mules and on camels, to my holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord.` (Isa. 66: 20)

It will be a time of great rejoicing for finally their enemies have been overcome and they will then be a blessing to all nations as God promised. (Dan. 12: 12)

You are still ignoring the fact that the Church in nowhere seen in chapters 6 through 18. Post-trib rational explanations are not possible. And not to be expected if you are delusional and are seeing things that are not there.

What I wanted you to see is that God sets his kingdom up during the time of the 10 kings.

This is from a posting in the thread Daniel 2

One item I picked out of Daniel 2 was about the kingdom of God being established during the time of the 10 kings. Far different understanding than most preach.

44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people
Speaking of the ten kings (ten toes) from the Septuagint Text that Jesus read from that speaks volumes about the iron and clay. Just as in the ancient world so shall it be again.

Dan 2:
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and the toes, part of earthenware and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet there shall be in it of the strength of iron, as thou sawest the iron mixed with earthenware.

42 And the toes of the feet were part of iron and part of earthenware, part of the kingdom shall be strong, and of it shall be broken.

43 Whereas thou sawest the iron mixed with earthenware, they shall be mingled with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave together, as the iron does not mix itself with earthenware.

Iron are angels, earthenware are humans

2022

If the year 2022 is when the tribulation could start then we can look up a Jewish calendar with the solar (our) calendar dates.

Prior to the tribulation is the Russian Federation at the Golan Heights outside Israel. The believers in Christ are then raptured. God deals with the Russian army and the others joining it. Then the world clamours for `Peace and Safety.`

The Peace Treaty. 22nd February 2022. (21st Adar 1.) A man from Islam steps in and makes a peace treaty with Israel. The tribulation has begun.



Israel`s Sacrifices. 30th October 2022. ( 5th Tishrei) For seven months the people of Israel search out the bones of the great army and bury them in a valley. Then when there are no more found for 10 days they begin their sacrifices to God after 2000 years.



The Anti-Christ. 6th July 2025 (10th Tammuz) The man who made the Peace Treaty will be made the Global leader. He deceives the world and they acclaim him as God. He rules for 42 months, 1,260 days. He puts an end to Israel`s sacrifices.



The Abomination. 3rd August 2025 (9th Av) A month later this man known as the anti-Christ gets an image of himself erected in Israel`s holy sanctuary, in God`s place. This is an abomination to the people of Israel. The people flee to the hills, mourning the desecration of their Temple.



Jesus` Return. 17th December 2028 (29th Kislev) Jesus returns with His mighty angel army, in power and great glory. He deals with the world`s armies surrounding Jerusalem and delivers the people of Israel. When Jesus reveals Himself to the people they go into mourning.



The Temple Rededication. 16th January 2029 (29 Tevet) After a month of morning the Priests cleanse and rededicate the temple and sanctuary.



National Celebrations. 2nd March 2029 (15th Adar) The people celebrate their national deliverance in Jerusalem.

No where in scripture does it say iron represents angels, rather it represents `strength.`

`And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly ` STRONG` and partly fragile.` (Dan. 2: 42)

POST TRIBS DO NOT DO WHAT PRE TRIBS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DO. WE JUST RIGHTLY DIVIDE.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME WITH THE SPIRIT OF HIS MOUTH AND SHALL DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

WHO IS COMING TO EARTH TO RULE AND REIGN ON THE THRONE OF DAVID

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


Zechariah 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

GREEK ORDER OF WORDS

1 And I looked and behold the Lamb was standing upon Mount Zion and with Him one hundred forty four thousand having the name of Him and the name of the Father of Him having been written on the foreheads of them

CHRIST AND THE ARMIES HAVE ARRIVED. HE IS STANDING ON EARTH ALL HAVING BEEN CHANGED

2 And I heard a voice out of heaven as sound of waters many and as sound of thunder loud And the voice that I heard like that of harpists harping with the harps of them 3 And they are singing as a song new before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders And no one was able to learn the song if not the one hundred forty four thousand having been redeemed from the earth

PRAISE YE THE LORD - THEY SHALL BE PREACHING AND TEACHING AND RULING FOR 1000 YEARS. NOTICE HOW HEAVEN AND EARTH ARE BEING MADE ONE.

4 These are they who with women not have not been defiled pure for they are these following the Lamb wherever He shall go These have been redeemed out from men firstfruits to God and to the Lamb

5 And in the mouth of them not was found a lie blameless they are before the throne of God

6 And I saw another angel flying in mid heaven having glad tidings everlasting to preach upon those dwelling on the earth and upon every nation and tribe and tongue and people

AGAIN, THIS IS DURING THE LORDS DAY. WHAT DO PRIESTS DO? THEY TEACH THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. THEY PREACH IT ON EARTH. THEY PREACH IT WHILE SATAN IS BOUND. THEY PREACH IT FOR THE 1000 YEARS TILL HE IS RELEASED.

7 saying in a voice loud Fear God and give Him glory because has come the HOUR OF THE JUDGMENT OF HIM And worship the {One} having made heaven and earth and sea and springs of waters.

8 And another angel a second followed saying Fallen Fallen is Babylon the great who of the wine of wrath for the immorality of her she has given to drink all the Gentiles

A ROD OF IRON. CONFUSION IS TAKEN AWAY, CONFUSION IS FALLEN. THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR IS PUT DOWN

KJV REG

AND WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THE 1000 YEARS? SATAN IS LOOSED TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS THE WARNING BEGIN AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE FALSELY OR NOT AT ALL THE FIRST TIME.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

SATAN IS GOING TO BE LOOSED AT THIS VERY VERY LAST TIME

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out WITHOUT MIXTURE into the cup of His indignation and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

SATAN IS GOING INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


THAT IS HOW IS SIMPLY GOES. NO CONFUSION. NO 'REFRAIMING' NO CHANGING. JUST RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORDS OF GOD. KNOWING THE PLAN OF GOD.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


BACK TO BEFORE WHEN WORKS WOULD FOLLOW AND REST WAS BEING OFFERED. AKA NOW

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


THE LORDS DAY FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE. GOD GIVES IT TO US SO WE CAN SEE IT FROM ALL ANGLES. SO MUCH IS GOING ON THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE IN ORDER SO WE MUST READ ALL THE WORDS OF GOD TO FIND WHERE THEY ALL FIT. WHEN THEY FIT IT IS A PERFECT PUZZLE. WORDS DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE ON NEW MEANINGS. NO OTHER PARTS OF THE BIBLE ARE MADE NULL AND VOID. GOD REMAINS THE SAME. JUSTICE IS THE EXACT SAME FOR ALL. TRIBULATIONS ARE THE SAME FOR ALL. ENDURING TO THE END IS THE SAME FOR ALL. THERE IS NOT 'A GROUP' THAT WILL BE TREATED DIFFERENT. IF YOU ARE BORN IN THE LAST GENERATION YOU WILL BE HERE TILL CHRIST RETURNS. IF NOT YOU WILL DIE BEFORE HE RETURNS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHOICES.

Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

AGAIN THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE LORDS DAY FROM A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

Revelation 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Revelation 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

REVELATION from 14:14 - 20


IS SAYING SAME THING AS


Revelation 19:16 And He hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against HIM THAT SAT ON THE HORSE AND AGAINST HIS ARMY.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

NOTICE SATAN IS NOT CAST INTO THE LAKE, AND HE WONT BE UNTIL THE END OF THE LORDS DAY.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

AND THE DEAD RISE AND THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE CHANGED AND WE ARE PRIESTS WITH THE LORD 1000 YS.

HOW LONG IS THAT TO GOD?


Psalm 90:1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood they are as a sleep in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.

6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.

7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.

8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.

9 For all our days are passed away in Thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.

10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

UPON DEATH WE RESURRECT. IF THE DEAD (CHRIST INCLUDED) ARE NOT RAISED THEN CHRIST IS NOT RAISED.

11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.

12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.

Septuagint text can be as credible as the Masorectic. Masorectic texts came about about 9AD and the Septuagint scrolls is what jesus read from.

Did you read post #1947

Correction to post 1952---900 AD not 9AD

yes that is why I posted -

No where in scripture does it say iron represents angels, rather it represents `strength.`

`And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly ` STRONG` and partly fragile.` (Dan. 2: 42)

It is true that Rabbi Akiva altered the OT text to create the Masoretic about 100AD.
We have one only copy of an an ancient LXX and that is the Alexandrian. Quite frankly the LXX is also required for any serous study.....

1 Thes 1:10
and to await His Son from the heavens, whom He raised out from the dead--Jesus, the one delivering (G4506) us from the coming wrath.

https://biblehub.com/text/1_thessalonians/1-10.htm

HELPS Word-studies
4506 rhýomai (from eryō, "draw to oneself") – properly, draw (pull) to oneself; to rescue ("snatch up"); to draw or rescue a person to and for the deliverer.

In Mt 6:13 ("the Lord's Prayer"), 4506 (rhýomai) is used in the closing sentence, "Deliver (4506 /rhýomai) us from evil" – i.e. "Deliver me to Yourself and for Yourself." That is, "Lord deliver me out of my (personal) pains and bring me to You and for You."

[4506 (rhýomai) properly means, "to snatch out for oneself" (H. Cremer, G. Winer).

J. Thayer, "Properly, 4506 (rhýomai) means to draw out . . . to one's self" – i.e. to rescue for oneself (to oneself). 4506 /rhýomai ("rescue") implies removing someone in the midst (presence) of danger or oppression, i.e. delivered "right out of" and to (for) the rescuer.]

I must disagree with this. WHAT DOES A BOOK CONTAIN? Information. Who does God give that information to? His own.

Remember
Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The LAMB ascends and is handed the book because NOW the KINGDOM THAT WAS PROCLAIMED BY JOHN THE BAPTIST HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY REJECTED. THIS INFORMATION COULD NOT GO OUT UNTIL THAT PART (not sure why because TO US, it all seems a foregone conclusion Gen 3 and all, but that can't be ALL OF THE TRUTH because if it was then there would have been NO REASON to keep CHRISTS WORK secret) HAD BEEN CONCLUDED Praise ye the Lord!

WHAT do the seals TELL US? The future. The seals are part of the ARMOR WE NEED TO PUT ON to withstand the fiery darts of Satan.

Most of us are aware of the IN YOUR FACE PROBLEM WITH 'pre trib' BUT THAT ISN'T THE DECEPTION FOR US.

For us the deception comes on the BACK SIDE. The part that goes into your brain and you are not consciously aware of BUT starts dictating HOW YOU SEE THE REST OF THE WORDS of God.

THE SEALS BEING ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. DON'T READ them FROM THE PRE TRIB POINT OF VIEW. READ IT FROM GODS ORDER OF THINGS.

When did the mystery of iniquity START WORKING? WAY BACK even before PAULS DAY.

WHAT IS THE FIRST WARNING CHRIST GAVE US? DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY ANY MAN.

KJV
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

greek
And I looked and behold a horse white and the one sitting on it having a bow

5115 toxon - a bow.
From the base of tikto; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric) -- bow.


and WAS GIVEN TO HIM a crown and he went forth OVERCOMING

3528. nikaó
Strong's Concordance
nikaó: to conquer, prevail
Original Word: νικάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: nikaó
Phonetic Spelling: (nik-ah'-o)
Definition: to conquer, prevail
Usage: I conquer, am victorious, overcome, prevail, subdue.
HELPS Word-studies
3528 nikáō(from 3529 /níkē, "victory") – properly, conquer (overcome); " 'to carry off the victory, come off victorious.' The verb implies a battle" (K. Wuest).


and that he might conquer

3528. nikaó ►
Strong's Concordance
nikaó: to conquer, prevail
Original Word: νικάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: nikaó
Phonetic Spelling: (nik-ah'-o)
Definition: to conquer, prevail
Usage: I conquer, am victorious, overcome, prevail, subdue.
HELPS Word-studies
3528 nikáō(from 3529 /níkē, "victory") – properly, conquer (overcome); " 'to carry off the victory, come off victorious.' The verb implies a battle" (K. Wuest).



Go back and read what all the pre trib apostasy preachers say about 'overcoming to the end'. THEY don't go through TRIB because they only go through REGULAR TRIBULATION. BUT when you PUT THIS TRUTH ON YOU SEE what is REALLY BEING HIDDEN. LOTS OF BAIT AND SWITCH.

THE FIRST RIDER ON A WHITE HORSE (ALWAYS LOOKING TO LOOK LIKE GOD) HAS TO BE GIVEN A CROWN. OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR DOES NOT NEED TO BE GIVEN ANY CROWN, HE HAS MANY.

THE 'BOW' HE HAS IS OF THE 'SIMPLIEST FABRIC'. HOW SCARY IS A 'CHEAP BOW'?

WHY IS HE SENT? HE IS SENT TO OVERCOME. WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO CHURCH TOLD?

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


NOT ONE TIME 'TO THE CHURCH' .

IF THERE EVER WAS A PLACE IN WHICH IT WOULD BE WRITTEN IN AT LEAST ONE OF THE 7 TIMES IT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

YES, THE CHURCH DOES DISAPPEAR RIGHT AFTER THIS BECAUSE THE CHURCH FALLS AWAY/DEPARTS/APOSTASY FROM THE TRUTHS GOD GIVES US.

SOMEONE IS SENT TO OVERCOME. WE ARE TOLD TO OVERCOME.

LOOK UP THE WORD AND YOU WILL FIND

IT IS THE EXACT SAME WORD USED FOR all.

REGULAR 'TRIBULATION' DOESN'T COVER WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE FINAL GENERATION.

FreeGrace2 said:
Neither he nor you have proved this. Your claims are quite empty without evidence.
I really don't care how you 'rank' me. What I do care about is evidence, of which you have zero.

So what? John opens the book in ch 1-3 which is TO the church.

And he closes the book in 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Do you really understand what Jesus told John? "This testimony" is what Jesus revealed to John and John transferred to book form, which we call "Revelation". So don't tell me that Revelation isn't for the church.

Rather, your comment isn't rational.

The Bible teaches that there will be ONE resurrection for the saved and ONE for the unsaved.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. Please prove me wrong here if I am.

The ONE resurrection for the saved will include EVERY believer from Adam on.

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

According to Acts 26:23, Jesus was the "first to rise from the dead", and therefore refers to His resurrection as "first fruits". After Christ's resurrection, THEN "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected, which is all believers. And we KNOW WHEN it will occur: WHEN He comes.

So, the ONE resurrection of the saved will include all believers, and will occur at the Second Advent.

The phrase "when He comes" is a reference to His Second Advent, obviously.

Again, if you disagree, address the verses that you think I don't understand and SHOW ME my error with a reasonable and rational explanation of why I am in error.

How about if YOU actually see things that ARE THERE, such as the verses above that I've just shared that SUPPORT my beliefs.

You are full of words, but have NO evidence. Unlike myself.

So, either provide clear evidence from Scripture of your view, or refute my view by exegeting the verses I quote to PROVE that I have not exegeted properly.