Which one's the Pale Rider?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Oct 29, 2021
217
23
18
#1
The Seals
6 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.
5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds[a] of wheat for a day’s wages,[b] and six pounds[c] of barley for a day’s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
41,320
16,305
113
69
Tennessee
#2
The rider of the pale horse is Death.
 
Oct 29, 2021
217
23
18
#3
Do you have any idea who the four living creatures are?
 

studentoftheword

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2021
1,596
542
113
#4
The Pale horse has a distinct color -----it is pale in color which is the color of the person's skin when they die ---------

this is an interesting ----

So if you look up the word pale in the Greek --you will see it come from the word chloros ----- which is where we get the word -----chlorine ----chloroform," and "chlorophyll.L

Strong's Concordance
chlóros: pale green, pale

This is interesting to -------and the rider's name is death ---- note---- to that this is the only 1 of the 4 horsemen who's rider is named ----

So if we look up the Geek for death -----

Strong's Concordance
thanatos: death
passive, to be given over to the peril of death, Revelation 6:8

What is the peril means?
: exposure to the risk of being injured, destroyed, or lost

I say ----This horse is the last of the 4 horsemen ---so God has given people great chances to repent and be drawn to Him before He sends the last pale horse ----- and then there are still many people who refuse to take His Free offer of Salvation -----mind blowing to me -----
 

Pilgrimshope

Well-known member
Sep 2, 2020
12,252
4,962
113
#5
The Seals
6 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.
5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds[a] of wheat for a day’s wages,[b] and six pounds[c] of barley for a day’s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
“I heard and I saw “

“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.

They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.

I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men: See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭32:22-26, 39-40, 42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭24:10‬ ‭

“And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:2, 4-8‬ ‭

the seals open the book in Gods hand and everything is coming out of that now opened book

it’s showing us Gods plan being revealed the rider on the white horse is showing us Gods four judgements he swore in the law and prophets would come when israel had crucified the messiah and broke tbier covenant

See how Jesus goes and takes the book out of Gods hand and no one else could donut and open the book ? He’s bringing Gods plan into fruition opening the seals revealing the plan

the white rider shows Jesus going forth to conquer all his enemies notice he has just one crown there later he’s weeding several crowns

You see how Gods plan being further revealed after the events in revelation you see now progression and Christs victory

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:11-16‬ ‭

notice back a few chapters the sin of man trodding the wine press that’s how he got blood on his garments it’s a king told story

“The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭49:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s the unfolding plan of God we’re seeing in revelation
 

studentoftheword

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2021
1,596
542
113
#6
Do you have any idea who the four living creatures are?
If you want to find a lot about certain things in Revelation ----you can find it in Ezekiel and Daniel both have much to describe and say about the end times -

Ezekiel 1 explains the 4 living creatures ------

Ezekiel’s Inaugural Vision
1 In my thirtieth year, in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kebar River, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.
2 On the fifth of the month—it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin— 3 the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians.[a] There the hand of the Lord was on him.

4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So if we look at Revelations 4 we see this ---

Revelation 4:6-9 AMP

6 and in front of the throne there was something like a sea or large expanse of glass, like [the clearest] crystal.

In the center and around the throne were four living [a]creatures who were full of eyes in front and behind [seeing everything and knowing everything that is around them].

7 [b]The first living creature was like a lion, the second creature like a calf (ox), the third creature had the face of a man, and the fourth creature was like a flying eagle.

8 And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes all over and within [underneath their wings]; and day and night they never stop saying,
“Holy, holy, holy [is the] Lord God, the Almighty [the Omnipotent, the Ruler of all], who was and who is and who is to come [the unchanging, eternal God].”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanksgiving to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever,
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say ----So from this we see they are Special Angels who are at the center of God's Throne always giving Glory to God -----they are all seeing as they have many eyes front and back ----so they are able to protect and serve God -----these are Cherubim Angels ----and if you read Ezekiel 10 it describes them -as well -----


4 faces ---PLEASE NOTE :__________there are different views on this -

so I am posting the different view and they are only view ---no scripture to verify this ------

First view

first living creature was like a lion,----symbolize ---- Strength ---Power
the second creature like a calf (ox),-----symbolize ----Service ---
the third creature had the face of a man, ---symbolize ----Reason
the fourth creature was like a flying eagle. ---symbolizes ----speed


Second view -----

first living creature was like a lion,----symbolize ----untamed creature
the second creature like a calf (ox),-----symbolize ----domestic creatures
the third creature had the face of a man, ---symbolizes-----greatest of all creatures
the fourth creature was like a flying eagle.---symbolizes -----all flying creatures ----



Third View -----read here

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/related-topics/camp-of-israel.html

Jewish tradition says the “four standards” under which Israel encamped in the wilderness,

to the east, Judah, to the north, Dan, to the west, Ephraim, to the south, Reuben, were respectively a lion, an eagle, an ox, and a man, while in the midst was the tabernacle containing the Shekinah symbol of the Divine Presence.

The Talmud saw in these four creatures the four primary forms of life in God’s creation.


It also noted that the twelve tribes of Israel camped under these four banners;

some with Reuben (symbolized by a man),

others with Dan symbolized by an eagle),

others with Ephraim (symbolized by the calf, or ox),

and the rest with Judah (symbolized by a lion).


I say
So for me personally the last one makes sense ----and the video explains why ---go to the 33 min mark of the video ----as the 12 tribes were combined into 4 Groups and they were positioned around the tabernacle to protect it ----and the 4 groups had each a banner to post at their sights -----

 

Isaskar

Active member
Nov 13, 2021
139
55
28
#7
If you want to find a lot about certain things in Revelation ----you can find it in Ezekiel and Daniel both have much to describe and say about the end times -

Ezekiel 1 explains the 4 living creatures ------

Ezekiel’s Inaugural Vision
1 In my thirtieth year, in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kebar River, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.
2 On the fifth of the month—it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin— 3 the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians.[a] There the hand of the Lord was on him.

4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So if we look at Revelations 4 we see this ---

Revelation 4:6-9 AMP

6 and in front of the throne there was something like a sea or large expanse of glass, like [the clearest] crystal.

In the center and around the throne were four living [a]creatures who were full of eyes in front and behind [seeing everything and knowing everything that is around them].

7 [b]The first living creature was like a lion, the second creature like a calf (ox), the third creature had the face of a man, and the fourth creature was like a flying eagle.

8 And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes all over and within [underneath their wings]; and day and night they never stop saying,
“Holy, holy, holy [is the] Lord God, the Almighty [the Omnipotent, the Ruler of all], who was and who is and who is to come [the unchanging, eternal God].”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanksgiving to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever,
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say ----So from this we see they are Special Angels who are at the center of God's Throne always giving Glory to God -----they are all seeing as they have many eyes front and back ----so they are able to protect and serve God -----these are Cherubim Angels ----and if you read Ezekiel 10 it describes them -as well -----


4 faces ---PLEASE NOTE :__________there are different views on this -

so I am posting the different view and they are only view ---no scripture to verify this ------

First view

first living creature was like a lion,----symbolize ---- Strength ---Power
the second creature like a calf (ox),-----symbolize ----Service ---
the third creature had the face of a man, ---symbolize ----Reason
the fourth creature was like a flying eagle. ---symbolizes ----speed


Second view -----

first living creature was like a lion,----symbolize ----untamed creature
the second creature like a calf (ox),-----symbolize ----domestic creatures
the third creature had the face of a man, ---symbolizes-----greatest of all creatures
the fourth creature was like a flying eagle.---symbolizes -----all flying creatures ----



Third View -----read here

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/related-topics/camp-of-israel.html

Jewish tradition says the “four standards” under which Israel encamped in the wilderness,

to the east, Judah, to the north, Dan, to the west, Ephraim, to the south, Reuben, were respectively a lion, an eagle, an ox, and a man, while in the midst was the tabernacle containing the Shekinah symbol of the Divine Presence.

The Talmud saw in these four creatures the four primary forms of life in God’s creation.

It also noted that the twelve tribes of Israel camped under these four banners;

some with Reuben (symbolized by a man),

others with Dan symbolized by an eagle),

others with Ephraim (symbolized by the calf, or ox),

and the rest with Judah (symbolized by a lion).


I say
So for me personally the last one makes sense ----and the video explains why ---go to the 33 min mark of the video ----as the 12 tribes were combined into 4 Groups and they were positioned around the tabernacle to protect it ----and the 4 groups had each a banner to post at their sights -----

What an amazing post! I find the Reuben Dan Empraim and Judah symbolism intriguing.
 

Rondonmon

Senior Member
May 13, 2016
1,288
176
63
#8
The Seals
6 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.
5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds[a] of wheat for a day’s wages,[b] and six pounds[c] of barley for a day’s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
In Rev. 8 the Trumpet Judgments are "Readied" in Rev. 16 the Bowl Judgments are Readied. But nowhere are the "Seal H=Judgments Readied" because they are not judgments, they are Jesus opening up a Sealed up scroll/book and prophesying what will come as soon as the 7th seal is taken off. Think of it as 7 Locks on a closet door. You can't open the closet until the 7th lock is taken off.

So, Seals 1-4 AND Seal 5 are all the coming Anti-Christ, he 1.) Conquers for 42 months 2.) Brings War for 42 months. 3.) His wars/actions cause 42 months of Famine. 4.) His wars/famine cause 42 months of Death and Sickness. 5.) He Martyrs the Saints who have come unto Christ after the Pre Trib Rapture.

THEN, the 6th Seal is open and Jesus prophesies about God's "Soon to Come Wrath" which will fall only when the 7th Seal is finally opened, that's why its n Rev. 8, the Trumps are the first judgments, the Seal POINT towards these coming Judgments. So, Sal #6 brings Trumpets 1-7 and the 7 trumpets bring the 7 Vials. The Anti-Christ is inly allowed to go forth conquering for a 42 month period, this the Day of the Lord lasts 42 months also, thus only when this Asteroid hits in Rev. 8 is the Anti-Christ allowed to go forth and thus we will see Seals 1-5 in conjunction with Seal 6 all happen over a 42 month period of time.
 
Oct 29, 2021
217
23
18
#9
Fascinating. Actually, it's Clint Eastwood. But don't worry too much about that, Clint Eastwood is more Christian than you are anyway.