Sex before marriage

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Jesus_Leads

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If fornication is sin how would Jesus Christ have born of a fornicated lineage ? Ruth
This coment was wrongly built. I just read it and it sounds horrific. In this I meant. If marrying an enemy is fornication(according to that person who said so) then the ruth incident would have been fornication but in real it is not. so what that guy said was wrong. But man I wrote it so vaguely
 

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Amen and all this is possible only through Christ and strength of holy spirit.
EQUOTE="2ndTimothyGroup, post: 4768371, member: 305370"]This is a good post. We have just got to Endure this wretched, evil-filled world! We have got to build others up through encouragement. We've just got to press onward; drop the games of fear, shame, and guilt, and look ahead at what is to come. We have got to feed the flock; to not look after ourselves, but look after others. We have got to Love others the Way Christ first Loved us.[/QUOTE]
 

Moses_Young

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Say what? I was merely quoting Paul. So if you're suggesting that this thinking belongs to me, that would be incorrect. Are you suggesting that Paul was in error when he wrote what he wrote? Are you suggesting that the master teacher of Spiritual Circumcision was actually in a "deep sleep" thus confused and deceived?
Sir, I think you were not delivering Paul's full message. You said:

Second, I don't believe that it is the will of the Lord that we become married if we have already received the Circumcision of Christ, for Paul taught CLEARLY that we are to remain in the position that we are in when we come to Christ. So if we are single after receiving the Circumcision of Christ, we are to remain single.
Paul said it is better to remain single - but I disagree he said we must remain single. I argue one may be putting the yoke of the law back onto Christians, to argue that they must remain single when they receive the circumcision of the heart. Have a look at the verses in Corinthians - it is better to remain single, but for some, to avoid sin, it is better to marry rather than burn with passion.

1 Corinthians 7:1 - 2
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:6 - 9
6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

1 Corinthians 7:27 - 28
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

1 Corinthians 7:35 - 38
35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

Remember even physical circumcision itself, and the value in being a Jew? Paul says these are good things. But the same good things can become damnable yokes , if they are treated as commandments or works to earn God's favour.

Galatians 5:2-4
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Sir, I think you were not delivering Paul's full message. You said:

Paul said it is better to remain single - but I disagree he said we must remain single. I argue one may be putting the yoke of the law back onto Christians, to argue that they must remain single when they receive the circumcision of the heart. Have a look at the verses in Corinthians - it is better to remain single, but for some, to avoid sin, it is better to marry rather than burn with passion.

1 Corinthians 7:1 - 2
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:6 - 9
6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

1 Corinthians 7:27 - 28
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

1 Corinthians 7:35 - 38
35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

Remember even physical circumcision itself, and the value in being a Jew? Paul says these are good things. But the same good things can become damnable yokes , if they are treated as commandments or works to earn God's favour.

Galatians 5:2-4
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Ok. I have disclosed those passages about folks remarrying if they can't control themselves . . . many times.

It is boring, absolutely boring to come to a Christian site where the primary focus is debate. All we seem to do, here, is pick each other apart. It's this kind of thing that makes me question and wonder if my time would be better spent somewhere else.
 

Moses_Young

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Ok. I have disclosed those passages about folks remarrying if they can't control themselves . . . many times.

It is boring, absolutely boring to come to a Christian site where the primary focus is debate. All we seem to do, here, is pick each other apart. It's this kind of thing that makes me question and wonder if my time would be better spent somewhere else.
My intention was not to bore you, but to make sure Paul's full message on the subject was conveyed. I apologise if this came across as too combatitive.
 

shittim

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Are we not sharpening one another as asked of us?
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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My intention was not to bore you, but to make sure Paul's full message on the subject was conveyed. I apologise if this came across as too combatitive.
Thank you for the apology. I will, however, use this moment to reflect upon my purpose for being here. My time here is far less gratifying than it is satisfying.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Are we not sharpening one another as asked of us?
To accuse me of being prideful is not sharpening me; rather, it is dulling me.

For you to not see how you are clearly judging a person's heart, and then argue over your right to do so . . . this, too, is pathetic.
 

shittim

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I certainly apologize for having an opinion. Good grief . . . sensitive people today.
just seeking clarification, nothing to do with sensitivivity.
And.. you see this "?", that was a question, not an accusation.
:unsure::)
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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just seeking clarification, nothing to do with sensitivivity.
And.. you see this "?", that was a question, not an accusation.
:unsure::)
Thanks for the discouraging thumbs down. My, how you've turned yourself against me so quickly. Just amazing.
 

presidente

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Second, I don't believe that it is the will of the Lord that we become married if we have already received the Circumcision of Christ, for Paul taught CLEARLY that we are to remain in the position that we are in when we come to Christ. So if we are single after receiving the Circumcision of Christ, we are to remain single.
The the whole chapter. When it came to staying unmarried, Paul was clear that he was not relating a commandment of the Lord, but his own advice, and it had something to do with 'the present distress.' He is clear that virgins who marry are not sinning by doing so instead of remaining celibate. Widows may also marry whoever they will but only in the Lord. Earlier in the chapter, he acknowledges both marriage and celibacy as a 'gift from God' Some people do 'burn' if they don't marry. It is appropriate for them to marry.

I Corinthians 7 also does not mention the 'circumcision of Christ.'
 

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I think the whole concept of sex is difficult. What’s the plan behind that crazy invention besides reproduction? What did God think of? It’s too intimate. Too demanding. Too blunt. Too much of just everything. I’m married. We have children. We have sex. We’re happy. Never did it together before marriage But it’s not my favourite activity even though I’m a healthy man. many many times I wish a Christian brother could take my place as a brother and friend and have sex with my wife.
Just to let her have all she’s supposed to have. From someone that really likes sex. She’s smoking hot by the way so that’s not the issue. The only issue here is that sex is just a crazy invention. It’s ment from Gods side for the married couple to enjoy. Still the most difficult area in a human life to keep clean and holy. I say what a complicated invention from the Lord.
 

presidente

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I think the whole concept of sex is difficult. What’s the plan behind that crazy invention besides reproduction? What did God think of? It’s too intimate. Too demanding. Too blunt. Too much of just everything. I’m married. We have children. We have sex. We’re happy. Never did it together before marriage But it’s not my favourite activity even though I’m a healthy man. many many times I wish a Christian brother could take my place as a brother and friend and have sex with my wife.
Just to let her have all she’s supposed to have. From someone that really likes sex. She’s smoking hot by the way so that’s not the issue. The only issue here is that sex is just a crazy invention. It’s ment from Gods side for the married couple to enjoy. Still the most difficult area in a human life to keep clean and holy. I say what a complicated invention from the Lord.
I'm married, and this is not my attitude toward it at all. The intimate vulnerability is wonderful. I love it. I wouldn't even want to think of anyone else doing such a thing with my wife.
 

Butterflyyy

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Why is sex before marriage a sin against God?
Because God says it is in His Word.
Why is sex before marriage a sin against God?
There are numerous scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Acts 15:20; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3). Revelation 14:4 assumes that unmarried Christians who desire to be faithful are not having sex.
Hebrews 13:4 considers sex outside of marriage to be immoral. “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”
 

1ofthem

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I think the whole concept of sex is difficult. What’s the plan behind that crazy invention besides reproduction? What did God think of? It’s too intimate. Too demanding. Too blunt. Too much of just everything. I’m married. We have children. We have sex. We’re happy. Never did it together before marriage But it’s not my favourite activity even though I’m a healthy man. many many times I wish a Christian brother could take my place as a brother and friend and have sex with my wife.
Just to let her have all she’s supposed to have. From someone that really likes sex. She’s smoking hot by the way so that’s not the issue. The only issue here is that sex is just a crazy invention. It’s ment from Gods side for the married couple to enjoy. Still the most difficult area in a human life to keep clean and holy. I say what a complicated invention from the Lord.
The marriage bond and intimacy is supposed to be something special that you share only with your husband/wife. I've seen a lot of people on these threads say or indicate that sex is only to produce children. I cannot understand that point at all and have no idea where they get it from. I've never seen anything in scripture that backs that idea up, and never heard anyone in real life even suggest such a thing.

Anyways, married couples should be able to be closer to their spouses than anyone else in all ways. Physical intimacy is an expression of that and should be enjoyable for both spouses.

I'm sure that was God's intention. Yet, like everything else people have gone against God's plans and purposes and have made sex into something dirty and to be ashamed of. If it is done wrong outside of marriage or in any of the other weirdo ways going on nowadays... like gay/lesbian, stuff, etc.... then yeah it is dirty and shameful. But it should never be considered that way between a husband and wife.

However, if you are uncomfortable and feeling that way about it then you should really seek the Lord about it. I'm not knocking you or trying to be demeaning in any way, but if you are a healthy man and you feel this way then there is a problem and something is wrong. Maybe it is that you are not comfortable with your own self...IDK but like I said you should seek the Lord and really put some thought into where the problem lies.

Your statement about wishing another man could take your place sexually with your wife indicates that you do not understand the sacred bonds of marriage. Having someone cheat or have sex with another person is one of the most hurtful and devastating things they can do, and really one of the only reasons I can see that scripture even justifies a divorce. There is a reason for that.
 
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People are too hung up on civil marriage and worries about chastity anyway. Chastity is for saints, and monogamy as a usual proactive over the number of the population leads to a more stable and lasting society, but the important thing about civil marriage is that modern American legal marriages are always allowed to lead to the corruption of the blood, and the victims in the loyal posterity class don't have a civil recourse. Never mind homosexuality, that doesn't even approach the criminality level of corruption of the blood, because such unions are sterile and don't affect future generations. People need to get over a little dating, affair having, and a few public displays of affection, most of which are hardly serious and have few consequences, or any of long reaching importance.