Have you ever considered this??

You have faith in God like I do because we believe the gospel,

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ Jn.20:31

Why is that confusing?

I don't find Scripture to be confusing. I once did. But I find your understanding of Scripture to be confusing.

Ok. So what's confusing about God giving people faith by the miracles Jesus performed, or by reading the gospel John and the others wrote?

How does God give Faith [by] miracles? Or, [by] reading the Gospel of John?

That makes no sense. We are granted Faith, and it is this Faith, which is granted the moment the Curse of the Lord is removed, hence Restoration, that a person is able to:

1) Be healed through a miracle
2) Understand the Gospels, or, the Bible as a whole

Being Circumcised of the Curse of the Lord is the beginning of Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom. Without Circumcision of the Heart, neither of the three are even remotely a possibitlity.

It isn't the Bible that is confusing, it's the way you're presenting it. I'm sorry; I am not trying to hurt your feelings, but just conveying that of which I am certain.

Those are reasons God gives to people so they will have faith in him.

I mean, I could list out every church that I've attended, but I don't think that you quite understand what I'm getting at. And what I'm getting at is this . . . you didn't share the Gospel. In fact, you didn't even come close. Sorry. I'm not trying to be rude or cruel; I'm just telling you the truth.

If you want to know and understand the Gospel, you can simply described it; you have to explain it. When you can answer the three below questions, this will be the Gospel.

1) What is the Purpose of Christ?
2) What is the Work of Christ?
3) What is the Effect of Christ?

My best . . .

“1) What is the Purpose of Christ?”

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. …..And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19, 21, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“2) What is the Work of Christ?”

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4, 6, 8, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“3) What is the Effect of Christ?”

“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this of course isnt everything but Part of it all he came to preach salvstion to the world and save sinners by calling then to repentance through the gospel and thier belief

Getting there. The Purpose of Christ is first and foremost, to Spiritually Circumcise hearts of His Holy Elect. Spiritual Circumcision is the fulcrum of life; whether we live in hell or Heaven. This Purpose must be known.

The Work of Christ are primarily:

1) The Circumcision of Christ; the removal of the Sinful Nature, the Curse of the Lord,
2) Grant the ability to Turn and Repent
3) Send the Gift of the Holy Spirit
4) Die of the Cross to pay the penalty for sin . . . thus making us Right with God.

The Effect of Christ is Transformation; the New Man, a Roman's 12 Transformation and life that we cannot help but speak out; it is the ability to Love according to 1 Cor chapter 13, the Love Chapter, etc.

You have good verses above. Follow this path that I have outlined; it will serve you well.

I duly appreciate your efforts to understand these three elements of the Gospel. You're rare, believe me.

can you show some scripture saying those things or do I need to rely on your interpretation ?

You bet. Just sitting down for dinner and I'll crank it out. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy. You'll find that I use the same language from the translations I will copy and paste from. The words I use are from Bibles.

can you show some scripture saying those things or do I need to rely on your interpretation ?

Part 1

So, I’ve offered an extremely brief outline of the Gospel. Here is the next and more advanced explanation of the Gospel, expounding upon what I’ve written earlier. The more time we have, the more I can expound upon these ideas. What I’m about to offer you is not whole and complete . . . this is just the beginning.

First, I encourage those who might read this to read these verses in as many translations as possible. The ones I will use, I have chosen them for their choice Words, making these things as easy to understand as possible. But ALL translations are good and useful.



The Circumcision of Christ as the fulcrum of our Faith. This is also the first Work of Christ:

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT – “When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature.” ... 13 “You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.”

Regardless of the translation, we will see that there is a Circumcision that only Christ offers. There is a uniqueness to it. Something is being cut away, and while the NLT is the only translation that uses Sinful Nature, any reasonable study will conclude that this is accurate, hence, Sarx . . . “the sinful state of humanity” as the NIV states it.

The text is telling us that “life” hinges upon this Circumcision. If we haven’t received it, we are considered “dead.” If Christ performs it, we have been “made alive.” There is no other Scripture that is like this, which is a clear Scripture that shows us what separates us from life and death.

This Spiritual Circumcision is represented in the visual of Adam and eve reaching out and eating from the Tree of Life; they would have lived forever. Jesus is that Tree, for only Christ is capable of granting Eternal Life. Anything that is spoken of as eating or drinking that gives life . . . that represents Christ and His Spiritual Circumcision. We see this Tree in Genesis 3 and Revelation 22.

The removal of this Christ is clear in Gal 3:13 and note that it shows us that Christ is equated to being on a tree - Galatians 3:13 NLT – “But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." – Eating from the Tree of Life, which is Christ, is what it takes to be redeemed from the Curse and obtain Eternal Life.

The story of Moses and his Veil. This, too, is a reflection of what it means to have the Curse lifted so that we can obey . . . and understand. 2 Corinthians 3:13-16 NLT – “We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away. 14 But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15 Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. 16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.”

Turning to Christ to have Him remove this Veil is the Circumcision of Christ. The story of Moses and his Veil is pointing directly at Colossians 2:9-15, just as is Genesis 3:22-24. “Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!" – But as you know, the Tree was guarded so that they could not eat, for the concept is that humanity would have to wait for Christ on the cross before this Gift would be given in greater quantities. Until Calvary, Spiritual Circumcision was mostly limited to leaders, judges, prophets and a few kings.

So what happened to Abraham? Why was physical circumcision instituted in him? Ezekiel clarifies this in chapters 11 and 36. Here is 36: Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - 25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations.”

The above is pointing directly to Colossians 2:9-15; the Circumcision of Christ. Now, all three of the Godhead take responsibility for Spiritual Circumcision. First God, then the Spirit, and Christ.

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - “And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

Romans 2:29 NLT - No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.”

Colossians 2:11 NLT – “When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature.”

This proves, conclusively, that Spiritual Circumcision is of utmost importance. The fact that we prove the Trinity in these three passages is remarkable. We need to know these Scriptures.

im still not seeing any scripture saying it is the thing it’s more like a long explanation of your view by you . What I was saying is can you show what you had said in the post I replied to in scripture ?

like when you said thosebtheee “keys of the gospel “

what was Christs purpose in coming . Do you have any scripture that says “ this is why Christ came ? Like this

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see how I don’t need to add any thinking or ideas or interpretations to that but it’s Christ saying “ this is the reason I came into the world “ I believe scripture is already explained in its context and simple.

I believe the Bible explains itself and doesn’t require long drawn out explaination of each verse and what it means independent from the context

my own personal belief is that we don’t need to do that but just accept what’s written down and let that form our thinking

that being said you could a
Have point but I’m certainly not following it I was hoping for some scripture that’s clear without having to go in all the round about explaination part

My apologies. I miswrote when I offered:

"Your ears are open. Your eyes have been opened so that you might be able to see. And if your ears and eyes are open, then these things will be as clear as a noonday sun. "

Peace to you

This doesn't make sense to me. God doesn't have "reasons" to Grant His Holy Faith. I've been down this path so many times, here, this is old so forgive me if I seem blunt.

But my Bible says the following:

John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."

That's what happened to Saul/Paul. Saul was seeking to persecute, if not kill, Christians. Paul was not seeking Christ. God chose Saul to become Transformed into Paul. The Transformation of Saul to Paul is the Living Allegory of what I'm writing of.

Ephesians 1:4 NIV - "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight."

Like I said, I've been down this road before and these passages above are flat out denied, and I simply don't have time for folks who deny clear and concise Scripture. They say that I am wrong when I am merely copying and pasting. These aren't my Words, they are owned by the Father . . . unless . . . UNLESS . . . there is an error in Translation from the original manuscripts to what we read today. These passages are not my opinion; they are the Words of God. And more, these passages that I am offering, they explain the Mysterious Plan of God that begins in Genesis and finishes in Revelation.

Galatians 3:10, 13-14 NLT - "But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law." ... 13 "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 14 Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith."