Saved by Water
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So you did not walk to the river or baptismal?
You did not go to whoever will baptize you and ask to be baptized?
You did not walk into the later. and allow someone to immerse you in water?
It is very misleading
Just by faith would be just that, Just by faith. Not faith and water baptism. WHat other works do you think we must do to keep salvation?
Acts 2: 38 the gift of the spirit is based solely on the gift of God and our belief in receiving the gift based on repentance.
Water baptism follows after we receive remission of sin.
You did not go to whoever will baptize you and ask to be baptized?
You did not walk into the later. and allow someone to immerse you in water?
It is very misleading
Just by faith would be just that, Just by faith. Not faith and water baptism. WHat other works do you think we must do to keep salvation?
Acts 2: 38 the gift of the spirit is based solely on the gift of God and our belief in receiving the gift based on repentance.
Water baptism follows after we receive remission of sin.
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key word "allow"...
It is just by faith in the conditional promise of Acts 2:38-39.
Believing that because I have fulfilled the condition, I have received the promise.
It is water baptism in Jesus' Name, for the remission of sins, in my kjv Bible.
And I am kjv-superior in my position.
So, if you want to walk down the broad path of rejecting the plain rendering of the kjv, that is on you. You have been warned, in the now, that that is the broad path that leads to destruction.
I don't expect everyone to follow me down the narrow path that leads to life. But walk down it I will; and will also invite anyone who is willing to walk down it with me.
It is just by faith in the conditional promise of Acts 2:38-39.
Believing that because I have fulfilled the condition, I have received the promise.
It is water baptism in Jesus' Name, for the remission of sins, in my kjv Bible.
And I am kjv-superior in my position.
So, if you want to walk down the broad path of rejecting the plain rendering of the kjv, that is on you. You have been warned, in the now, that that is the broad path that leads to destruction.
I don't expect everyone to follow me down the narrow path that leads to life. But walk down it I will; and will also invite anyone who is willing to walk down it with me.
This is a whole new take on Noah's ark.
Noah and his family were saved and protected by God. I believe the ark is the vehicle to communicate that as also a metaphor. While the deluge washed the world clean of sinners. And after 40 days and nights Noah and his family were privileged to enter into a new ark. That of God's covenant.
Genesis 8:20 and 9:17
Noah and his family were saved and protected by God. I believe the ark is the vehicle to communicate that as also a metaphor. While the deluge washed the world clean of sinners. And after 40 days and nights Noah and his family were privileged to enter into a new ark. That of God's covenant.
Genesis 8:20 and 9:17
C
Yes. And we can draw another comparison here too, with the Exodus. The sprinkled blood over the door posts protected the occupants of the dwelling from being punished by the avenging Angel for any unfaithfulness to God. Similarly, for us, the symbolic (ie our mindful) sprinkling of Jesus' blood over us protects us from being punished for our past unfaithfulness to God.
Further to that, the waters of the Red Sea closing over the pursuing Egyptians permanently separated the Israelites from being enslaved again by their past masters. Similarly, for us, the waters of baptism are our symbolic Red Sea which is a permanent barrier between our old and new selves, and that we are now separated from our past worldly masters, our sinful natures.
Baptism is a symbolic act carried out in a physical manner, but if the heart isn't in it, or doesn't understand the meaning behind baptism, then the act is useless/has no real benefit. Conversely, if there is an understanding and affirmation in our hearts that we are saved from our past, washed clean and permanently separated from it by what God has done through Jesus, then this is acceptable to God whether or not physical water is used.
There is no spiritual gift transferred by the baptismal act itself, and the Holy Spirit can be given to us before, after, or during our symbolic act of baptism in Christ, whether there be water involved or not.
Further to that, the waters of the Red Sea closing over the pursuing Egyptians permanently separated the Israelites from being enslaved again by their past masters. Similarly, for us, the waters of baptism are our symbolic Red Sea which is a permanent barrier between our old and new selves, and that we are now separated from our past worldly masters, our sinful natures.
Baptism is a symbolic act carried out in a physical manner, but if the heart isn't in it, or doesn't understand the meaning behind baptism, then the act is useless/has no real benefit. Conversely, if there is an understanding and affirmation in our hearts that we are saved from our past, washed clean and permanently separated from it by what God has done through Jesus, then this is acceptable to God whether or not physical water is used.
There is no spiritual gift transferred by the baptismal act itself, and the Holy Spirit can be given to us before, after, or during our symbolic act of baptism in Christ, whether there be water involved or not.
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I've addressed you several times, and given you several opportunities to explain your heresy. You have not done so with any degree of biblical soundness, but instead have doubled down, refused at length to answer simple questions, and insisted that you are teaching (which you do so yet again) and not merely discussing.
That is the key and Holy Word, my friend. Ultimately, this Holy Separation revolves around two key things:
1) The Curse of the Lord
2) Worldly laws
Galatians 3:13 NLT - "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
Romans 7:6 NLT - "But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit."
There are MANY passages just like the two above, but written in a completely different way. Below is but another:
2 Corinthians 3:13-17 NLT - "We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away. But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."
And another:
Genesis 3:22 NLT - "Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!"
And another:
Colossians 2:11-13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."
This is the Heart of the Bible . . . to be Spiritually Circumcised . . . to be Separated . . . to become a Nazarene like Christ, our Powerful, Almighty God.
1) The Curse of the Lord
2) Worldly laws
Galatians 3:13 NLT - "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
Romans 7:6 NLT - "But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit."
There are MANY passages just like the two above, but written in a completely different way. Below is but another:
2 Corinthians 3:13-17 NLT - "We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away. But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."
And another:
Genesis 3:22 NLT - "Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!"
And another:
Colossians 2:11-13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."
This is the Heart of the Bible . . . to be Spiritually Circumcised . . . to be Separated . . . to become a Nazarene like Christ, our Powerful, Almighty God.
C
Yes, and we have to live that out. If we return back over the Red Sea to give our loyalties back to our past ways, it's akin to a dog returning to its vomit. As the apostle says, there's no return for us, because it would be like asking Jesus to return to the cross again.
Having been brought across/through the Red Sea, we are now travelling through the desert (aka this world), led by the Spirit of God. We need to press in together for protection, and dwell on the same pages of the one book, which is the plan of God. Jesus said a house divided against itself will fail/fall, and His words never return to Himself without them accomplishing what He stated.
Having been brought across/through the Red Sea, we are now travelling through the desert (aka this world), led by the Spirit of God. We need to press in together for protection, and dwell on the same pages of the one book, which is the plan of God. Jesus said a house divided against itself will fail/fall, and His words never return to Himself without them accomplishing what He stated.
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Interesting thoughts. I like them. You know what else just occurred to me? Who parted the Red Sea so as to grant Life? The Lord. Therefore, how would it be possible for a person to cross back through that Red Sea on their own? They couldn't . . . no one can. This supports the idea that it is impossible to fall away from the Lord, just as it is impossible to choose the Lord under personal power.
And this is also what is SO UBER important about the concept of circumcision. If physical circumcision represents Spiritual Circumcision, who reverts to having the old skin sewed back into place? That ugly, unclean flesh had been removed. How can it be put back on? And this is the same as how can we pass back through that Red Sea? Physical circumcision is a one-way process . . . when it's done . . . it's done and there's no return (especially thousands of years ago.) When the "Old Flesh" is cut away from the body, it withers and all cellular matter dies . . . literally. When that flesh is removed and completely dead, it cannot be grafted back in, or on.
And this is also what is SO UBER important about the concept of circumcision. If physical circumcision represents Spiritual Circumcision, who reverts to having the old skin sewed back into place? That ugly, unclean flesh had been removed. How can it be put back on? And this is the same as how can we pass back through that Red Sea? Physical circumcision is a one-way process . . . when it's done . . . it's done and there's no return (especially thousands of years ago.) When the "Old Flesh" is cut away from the body, it withers and all cellular matter dies . . . literally. When that flesh is removed and completely dead, it cannot be grafted back in, or on.