Does the Bible solemnly warn of eternal damnation?

Question for those who believe in eternal hell - do you think Holocaust victims went to Hell? What about people who never heard of the Gospel throughout the centuries?

But the originator of this thread asked if there were any Scriptural references to Hell being an eternal punishment

Dear Dino246,
You said:
"And the word of the LORD will be to them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little, that they may go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

Is that what you advocate? If so, I'd encourage you to think again.

Yes, the Word of God is presented so that mankind cannot understand the truth. For that reason, Christ teaches His truth in "another tongue" (spiritual language) with "here a little, there a little". The only ones who are given the ability to understand (eyes that can see) are Christ's Elect and they can only understand AFTER they are converted. The pathway to salvation starts with the Early Rain but because Christ does not heal the new believer's spiritual blindness at that time, they cannot understand the truth of scripture. Because they cannot understand, Satan immediately comes to them and deceives them. They add "works" to "faith" and fall away and are broken (lose their salvation). Approaching Christ by "works" is the sin that leads to death. Christ explains this truth in many of His teachings. Here is one of them:

Mat 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation

Unclean (evil) spirits represent Satan's false truth. Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with God's truth. One "evil spirit" leaves but comes back with seven more (represents the spirit of anti-Christ) since our house remains void of God's truth. Now, instead of "one evil spirit" within us, we now have EIGHT. The number EIGHT spiritually represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, our new spiritual condition is "worse than the first". Paul calls this worsened spiritual condition the Man of Sin.

After the new believer devolves into a Man of Sin, their deadly head wound that came from the sword of Christ at the time of the Early Rain is healed. The blow by the Sword of Christ was intended to slay their carnal nature (Old man) but because of their spiritual blindness and Satan’s deceptions, the wound is healed and their Old Man continues to live.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

As a result, they are still represented by the Seven-Headed Beast of Revelation. In case you are unaware, the Seven Headed Beast is a symbol for mankind in our spiritually flawed and carnally minded condition. After our deadly head wound is healed, we have truly "fallen away" and become a Man of Sin who follows the ways of Satan instead of Christ. We are trying to serve two masters. This is the one and only sin (works) that leads to our spiritual death (1John 5:16). From this death, we cannot be renewed by repentance (Heb 6:4-6). It is for this reason that Christ must come to us a second time if we are going to be saved in this age. When He comes (Day of the Lord), Christ brings the Latter Rain of the Spirit (Baptism of the Holy Spirit), which is what the Apostles received on the Day of Pentecost and what Paul received after being in Damascus for three days.

The Doctrine of Free Will is the most common belief that causes us to "fall away". We use this false belief system to justify why unbelievers are worthy of "hell" and why we are not. We falsely believe that we must be wiser or smarter or simply less evil than those who reject Christ. And because of this belief, we take credit for making the right "choice" to accept Christ. But in truth, the credit is not ours. It was Christ's work within us that caused us to accept Him as "Lord". In our spiritually flawed and carnally minded condition we have from birth, no man will even seek to know God (Rom 3:10-11, Rom 8:7), much less accept Him as Lord.

Scripture clearly says that unless Christ gives us the Holy Spirit, we cannot call Him “Lord”.

1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Only after Christ comes to us and gives us the Early Rain of the Spirit can we call Christ “Lord”. Paul’s Damascus Road experience is the part of the “pattern” (1Tim 1:16) whereby we all must follow in order to be “called out from the world”. Christ came to Paul on the Damascus Road, uninvited by Paul, and gave Paul the Early Rain. Paul had no choice in the matter as to whether to accept the Spirit or to reject the Spirit. The Spirit was given to Him and after it was, Paul fell to his knees and called Christ “Lord”.

After a Called Out believer has “fallen away” and is no longer saved, Christ must come to them a second time with the Latter Rain of the Spirit (Baptism of the Holy Spirit). If He doesn't, they will die in their sins and receive their “portion” with the unbelievers. If the Called Out believer is one of the “few” (Mat 22:14) and has been "chosen from the foundation of the world", Christ will come to them a second time. And when He comes, He brings salvation with Him.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Christ “appeared” the first time in the flesh and took away the sins of the world on the cross. When He comes to an unbeliever with the Early Rain, He does not “appear” to them but remains hidden from their understanding. The Early Rain event is not an “appearance”, it is a visitation. When Christ comes to a Called Out believer with the Latter Rain, He “appears” to them at this time. When He comes, He fully heals their spiritual blindness and the Light of His appearing will destroy the Man of Sin whom they have become. It is at this point when the new child of God is born.

Joe

All pet doctrines and denominational loyalties aside. Put your sola scriptura on the table. Where does it really say “All people are going to burn forever in torment who are not in the book of life?”

Before you answer, please don’t quote me some verses about worms that don’t die, or smoke that rises forever, or unquenchable fire, or eternal fire.

Quote me something that says the lake of fire or hell is eternal conscious torment for all people not in the book of life

And don’t put Revelation 20:10 where only 3 persons are tormented. Your eternal conscious torment doctrine needs broad scriptural support. After you try your best then it’s my turn.

So your Good News Message to the unsaved world is, "Don't worry, you will be granted salvation after you die".
No real urgency. That's quite a divergent message from Jesus' teachings.

No question that God is a just, loving, and loving God. Faith is a gift from God. And God, through Scripture, addresses your question above. Mercy will be shown to those who have never heard the Gospel.

Luke Cha 12 tells us that such things as lack of knowledge will be taken into account:

That servant who knew his master’s will but did not make preparations nor act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely and the servant who was ignorant of his master’s will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more.

So, I believe that God will justly judge all and that God will take into account the gifts He gave them.

Mercy will be shown to those who have never heard the Gospel.

What is the fundamental difference between your request and that of the Moslem who says, "Show me a verse where Jesus says, "I am God"?

No. What you said makes no sense.

What does it matter if you fail with a 64, or a five? You both get an F!! But Jesus says the person that failed with a 5, is going to be treated differently and worse than the guy that failed with a 64, ALTHOUGH BOTH FAILED.

The Pharisees get punished more severely, as does the inhabitants of the cities that rejected Him.

If the sodomites are punished the exact same as the men of Chorizon, by both being annihilated, then Jesus lied.

As for the Pharisees, Jesus says where they, and their converts are going. Note STRONGS definition of Gehenna (Hell).

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.


G1067 γέεννα - Strong's Greek Lexicon Number

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LSJ Gloss:γέενναge-hinnomDodson:γέενναGehennaGehenna, and originally the name of a valley or cavity near Jerusalem, a place underneath the earth, a place of punishment for evil.Strong's:

What I'm getting at is that without there being something unpleasant and substantial from which to be saved, "salvation" is meaningless. If those who are unrighteous will never actually undergo consequences for their choice, how can it be described as unpleasant and worth avoiding? I simply don't see any logic in that view.

To put it another way, I think that the view that there is no afterlife at all (functional atheism) is essentially the same as annihilationism. The result is the same: no (belief in an) awareness of consequence, so nothing from which to be saved.

Finding a verse for Jesus claiming to be God is easy and finding a verse for eternal conscious torment is not easy?

If that's so, then Christians should never spread the gospel, close down all churches, and never speak the name of Jesus. Let the world die in their ignorance and everyone goes to heaven.

Interesting that those who deny death as punishment (despite that being exactly what God said) overlook that fear of death is given as the reason for man's slavery to sin (something else Nehemiah denied until I showed him Hebrews 2:15). Why would you believe what atheists say? They are liars. Nobody in their right mind wants life to end.

I don't "believe" that what atheists claim is true, but I accept that what they believe is "truth" in their view. If I were consistent in applying your logic, I could reasonably ask, "Why would you believe what annihilationists say? They are liars."

The point is not whether either group is "lying", but whether either group holds a view consistent with the truth. I believe that neither does, and that their error, though having different roots, has exactly the same fruit: there is nothing from which to be saved.

Christians still have to spread the Gospel and build churches,etc. Since once we become Christians we have the personal conviction to do so, and not doing this would be disobedient to God. That is the most important reason. The salvation of others is God's business.

Good to know you count death as nothing. Yikes.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I have no patience for such.

there is nothing from which to be saved.

"there is nothing from which to be saved."

It is more complicated than that. An equivalent comparison is if you ask the homeless to acknowledge you are God, or lets just say a prophet. A lot will walk away due to various reasons. They don't have issues with the resort (or Heaven) but who you are. Based on your example, since they don't have to acknowledge you are a divine being, I believe most of the homeless will enter the resort unless they are not mentally there.

Taken out of context.