Alcohol - a world wide phenomena

Your approach is consistent with that of folks who teach all manner of false doctrines: they refuse to deal with the Scriptures that contradict their pet heresies.

I posted this earlier:

Everything should be measured by the standard of sonship and being led by the Spirit. Drunkenness is when 1) you cannot respond to the Spirit or hear Him and 2) when you cannot be self-controlled. The amount of alcohol required for this level of impairment will be different for each believer.

I would add: believers should stay far away from their level of impairment.

I completely understand where you are coming from. I respect you.

Romans
14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.
14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed [are] pure; but [it is] evil for that man who eateth with offence.
14:21 [It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
14:22 Hast thou faith? have [it] to thyself before God. Happy [is] he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

Was Adam created a babe?

I'm pretty sure he was a MAN

Jstates, did you want to continue? I was attempting to answer your question by delving into the sanctuary (Psa. 77:13) a little more. Wasn't sure if you saw my last comments or study questions. Let me know when you can please.

I did read your comment earlier, but I haven't had time to delve back into the details of the Temple. Some years ago the topic was discussed in an adult Sunday School class concerning the significance of the Temple set up. Not the sort of thing that really sank in for me, to be honest.

I'll take your word for the Temple set up until I can look again for myself. I'm not familiar with what was on the "pure" table though.

Ok, let give you the references then:

Lev 24:6: "And thou shalt set them in two rows, six on a row, upon the pure table before the LORD."

2Chr 13:11: "And they burn unto the LORD every morning and every evening burnt sacrifices and sweet incense: the shewbread also set they in order upon the pure table; and the candlestick of gold with the lamps thereof, to burn every evening: for we keep the charge of the LORD our God; but ye have forsaken him."

Exo 25:29: "And thou shalt make the dishes thereof, and spoons thereof, and covers thereof, and bowls thereof, to cover withal: of pure gold shalt thou make them."

Exo 37:16: "And he made the vessels which were upon the table, his dishes, and his spoons, and his bowls, and his covers to cover withal, of pure gold."

Num 4:7: "And upon the table of shewbread they shall spread a cloth of blue, and put thereon the dishes, and the spoons, and the bowls, and covers to cover withal: and the continual bread shall be thereon:"

1Chr 28:17: "Also pure gold for the fleshhooks, and the bowls, and the cups: and for the golden basons he gave gold by weight for every bason; and likewise silver by weight for every bason of silver:"

Jer 52:19: "And the basons, and the firepans, and the bowls, and the caldrons, and the candlesticks, and the spoons, and the cups; that which was of gold in gold, and that which was of silver in silver, took the captain of the guard away."

So by these texts, in the sanctuary/tabernacle/temple, on the Lord's "pure" table were cups and bowls, yes?

Do you know what was to continually/daily/always fill them?

Do you know what type of bread (12 loaves, in two stacks of 6) was to always be upon that "pure table" (renewed on Sabbath)? Unleavened or leavened bread?

Apples and oranges. Adam was created a full grown man because he was to be the steward of the Garden of Eden. But water was instantly made into absolutely delicious grape juice (as it is in nature). However, what Christ made in Cana of Galilee was unique -- unlike any wine ever made. The Bible says "Be not drunk with wine..." and it is alcohol that produces drunkenness (condemned in Scripture). So Christ could not possibly violate His own Word.

As you stated correctly, ”Be not drunk.” It’s also a good thing not to overindulge in any of the things that God has given us.

LOL...your response is to God for what the Bible says...not to me.
WOW what a lofty position you elevate me to that I do not deserve and can't full fill..
That is a funny response.

Stop the accusations....what is the inference for? The Bible says what it says...not me.

Geesscchh!!!

Your response is that of a radical leftist who attempts Bible change rather than being subjected to it's meaning and intent.
Your advocacy is not recorded before the 1960's...why?
Remember the Bible will put us on a guilt trip when we try to dislodge it's proper position on righteousness. So if you plan to continue to do that...get use to it.
Better yet...talk to God about it.

God does not give a guidance on how to get drunk...because each of our systems are different.
What a rediculus topic to be critical of God about.

If only Christians wouldn't do what the devil does and quote only a portion of scripture and leave out the remaining context that would show the opposite of their assertive doctrines of devils.

Perhaps you should carefully study the entire context of the snippet of scripture you quoted and the words used.

As soon as alcohol begins to metabolize in your system it produces a very toxic by product called Acetaldehyde

This is a very toxic substance.

It can do all sorts of nasty things to your organs. When Acetaldehyde is combined with enzymes in the pancreas it can cause the pancreas to begin to digest itself. This can occur with only One drink.

Because Acetaldehyde is such a toxic by product from the metabolizing of alcohol it has been proven by science that "No amount of alcohol is "good" for someone."

So if you are wondering if it is God telling you not to drink at all, as in total abstinence, or if you are just being too hard on yourself, this little scientific fact might help you understand why you are not having a clear conscience with even one glass of wine.

Acetaldehyde is a very toxic substance and any amount of alcohol has to be metabolized by your system, even one drink, and it will produce this toxic by product Acetaldehyde which will then be removed by the liver but not before it has done damage to you, which will heal (unless you keep doing it) but who needs to do that to themselves.

So regardless of your religious view of alcohol, Acetaldehyde will be produced, will do harm, and will have to be removed, hopefully the harm will be healed, but when you keep it up you can end up with severe organ damage.

The question then becomes "How much organ damage is ok?" Is it ok to do just a tiny bit of organ damage? After all, won't my body heal itself from the Acetaldehyde damage?

It is not a question of "Will this drink go through me without producing any Acetaldehyde?" The answer to that is no, that is not possible.

I hope this made your decision easier. Have a nice day.

What would you call someone who insists on presenting Scripture for only one side of a two-sided issue?

I'm advocating for a full-counsel-of-God approach to this issue. You want to suppress part of the word of God. Who is the radical leftist?

Thus Proverbs 20:1 says nothing about 'amount' (the continual strawman), but speaks directly to alcohols very root character, after or of the devil.

It is why alcohol is inTOXICating by its very nature.

Agreed, here is some further wisdom.

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.