Biblical meaning of mind and heart

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1st.impressions and all that. I haven't read very far into the threads in all forums but when I see your post it's all about YOU,YOU,YOU

No edifying,no concise contextual,biblical thoughts except " circumcision of the heart".

Btw an unbeliever looking in would NOT be advised of salvation by this wording.Ya have ta have it to share it!
 

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1st.impressions and all that. I haven't read very far into the threads in all forums but when I see your post it's all about YOU,YOU,YOU

No edifying,no concise contextual,biblical thoughts except " circumcision of the heart".

Btw an unbeliever looking in would NOT be advised of salvation by this wording.Ya have ta have it to share it!
Wasn't that his point?

An unbeliever doesn't understand and doesn't have ears to hear.

If they did understand what circumcision of the heart was most likely they are already saved and DO understand the gospel.


Which makes me wonder about your last sentence.
 

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1st.impressions and all that. I haven't read very far into the threads in all forums but when I see your post it's all about YOU,YOU,YOU

No edifying,no concise contextual,biblical thoughts except " circumcision of the heart".

Btw an unbeliever looking in would NOT be advised of salvation by this wording.Ya have ta have it to share it!
Why are you making this about me?
 

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An unbeliever doesn't understand and doesn't have ears to hear.

If they did understand what circumcision of the heart was most likely they are already saved and DO understand the gospel.


Which makes me wonder about your last sentence.


and/or they are wanting to become saved? the things of God are hid from those who do not hear or want to hear (from the Spirit).

the letter - maketh many paths ... and many arguments. the Spirit maketh alive and makes one of the same Mind as Christ - of God.

God knows all and is Light. so to become as the same Mind as Christ is to be learning of Spirit and learning All that there is to know.
 
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Wasn't that his point?

An unbeliever doesn't understand and doesn't have ears to hear.

If they did understand what circumcision of the heart was most likely they are already saved and DO understand the gospel.


Which makes me wonder about your last sentence.



The SIMPLICITY of the gospel is wonderful. Even a child can find salvation.

We complicate matters to increase our self importance as wise and knowledgeable!

I am a believer in the way of Jesus Christ and have read this site for about 4 years b4 joining.

We cannot convince nor change one another,the Spirit must do this.

Heresies,false doctrine,abominable lies,attitudes, deceit ECT are very evident here for ALL the world to see & read.

They 1st must hear ( read,sing,listen ) the word to be convinced of God's love. Mustn't we word it as easy to receive and digest to lead others to the sherperd and his sheepfold?
 
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Why are you making this about me?



YOU make everything about YOU,just go back and read your posts. They can all be found under your profile.
See if anything you've said recently,besides whining,can cause a person's heart to be picked of their sins!
 

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YOU make everything about YOU,just go back and read your posts. They can all be found under your profile.
See if anything you've said recently,besides whining,can cause a person's heart to be picked of their sins!
You've been here for a day and a half and you're able to determine that I make everything about me. That's amazing.

Do me this favor: Since you've already taken the time to review all of my posts, please copy and paste one of them that demonstrates my sin.

Thank you.
 
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Tiny Tim,
Did I say you sin?
Do not add to or drop anything I say.

Look HERE in just this thread.....lol

Your wimpy behaviour does not inspire me to answer any such nonsense!
 

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Tiny Tim,
Did I say you sin?
Do not add to or drop anything I say.

Look HERE in just this thread.....lol

Your wimpy behaviour does not inspire me to answer any such nonsense!
Powerful, Almighty God, I ask that you help this person with their attitude of belittling and berating. Forgive this person, for they do not understand what they are doing.
 

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Good morning. I became so sleepy last night I had to go to bed, it was close tp 7 PM. Now, let us pray for those who are truly suffering in this world and in this age today, start with the Ukrainians then go to all the annonymous suffering directly for the Word's sake.
Now let us ask that in this glorious new day we glorify our Maker in our walk with Jesus Yeshua. Praise God, He is worthyu not we, amen.
 

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Many times when the heart is mentioned in the Word I encounter this phrase, heart, mind and soul. If that helps?
 

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Is there anything more important in all of Scripture than receiving a New Heart? Can anyone come up with any Scriptural concept that is more critical than what God Promised below? And these are the Promises and Blessings given to Abraham . . . this is the gift of Faith; the ability to believe:

Ezekiel 36:26-27 NLT - "And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations."
 

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Circumcision of the heart [is] necessary for salvation. Anyone who studies this doctrine would come to the same conclusion, hence, it's easy to determine who has studied this doctrine and who has not.

Grace alone [is] Circumcision of the Heart, hence, Exodus 33:19.

Circumcision of the Heart [is] Ezekiel 11:19-20 and Ezekiel 36:25-27.

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

But hey, if a person doesn't think that they need the Circumcision of Christ . . . and are ashamed of those words, so be it. I wish you all the best of luck as you face your God without it.
Why do you say this?

To date, no one has ever been able to explain the Gospel to me. I've never heard it in church . . . christians are utter failures in exp;lain the Gospel. They can describe it, but they cannot explain it. Perhaps this is why no one knocks on my door; talks about the Gospel in church. The Gospel is totally misunderstood. It is, for the most part, void of this world.
I have provided some verses below which provide the gospel very succinctly.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 

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Why do you say this?

I have provided some verses below which provide the gospel very succinctly.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes, these are great verses that outline elements of the Gospel.

Romans 6 discusses the Purpose of Christ.
2 Cor also outlines the Purpose of Christ.
John 3 also outlines the Purpose of Christ.

There are two other Elements to the Gospel that we also need to be aware of, thus, the passages that you have provided are not the Gospel, but part of the Gospel.

The reason why we are told to Ask, Seek, and Knock, is because the Gospel is given to us in small pieces here and there. It seems (to me) that when Paul disclosed the concept of the Mysterious Plan of God, this should be an indicator that there is more going on than what we had originally thought. Speaking for myself, when I read of Paul making this disclosure in Ephesians chapters three and two (best to read in that order), my "detective-like" mind finally caught onto that concept . . . thus I set out to try to understand, exactly, what Paul meant by those statements. And so in my studies of the entire Bible, I came to realize that it was True, that there was much more going on regarding the Gospel than I had ever imagined. For the first time in my life, after thousands of hours of study, the Gospel finally became clear to me.

What I found is that when I could give a conspicuous, detailed outline of the three points below, that was the moment when I, for the first time in my near 55-year life, was finally able to explain the True Gospel to another person. Prior to this moment of discovery, I was only able to give the bits and the pieces . . . which explains why I hadn't ever really given the Gospel to anyone. Had anyone asked me to explain the Gospel to them, I would have stumbled, for the "church" does not offer any classes on how to effectively transmit the Gospel to another person. Yes, I'm speaking in general terms, as I'm sure that there is a Church out there, somewhere, that has such classes, but I've been around the christian block for many decades and in my experience, the church is not taking the Gospel seriously. If I were a Pastor, or held any effective teaching role in a church, be it even a 1st grade class, my students would immediately begin to be taught the True Gospel of Jesus Christ. I would help to flush down the toilet their nominal view.

Until I was able to explain in the detail the three below points, I was virtually incapable of explaining the Gospel to anyone. They are:

1) The Purpose of Christ.
2) The Work of Christ.
3) The Effect of Christ.

I'm not smart at all. I'm not special. I'm not gifted. And certainly, the Lord does not require me in any sense whatsoever. All that I did was ask myself, "What is the True Gospel?" And then, with that question in mind, I began reading and cataloging ever passage in the Bible that might answer that question. And so that is what I have done, reading the Bible in a timeline, chronological order so that I might understand the Gospel, or, the Story of God.
 

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Yes, these are great verses that outline elements of the Gospel.

Romans 6 discusses the Purpose of Christ.
2 Cor also outlines the Purpose of Christ.
John 3 also outlines the Purpose of Christ.

There are two other Elements to the Gospel that we also need to be aware of, thus, the passages that you have provided are not the Gospel, but part of the Gospel.

The reason why we are told to Ask, Seek, and Knock, is because the Gospel is given to us in small pieces here and there. It seems (to me) that when Paul disclosed the concept of the Mysterious Plan of God, this should be an indicator that there is more going on than what we had originally thought. Speaking for myself, when I read of Paul making this disclosure in Ephesians chapters three and two (best to read in that order), my "detective-like" mind finally caught onto that concept . . . thus I set out to try to understand, exactly, what Paul meant by those statements. And so in my studies of the entire Bible, I came to realize that it was True, that there was much more going on regarding the Gospel than I had ever imagined. For the first time in my life, after thousands of hours of study, the Gospel finally became clear to me.

What I found is that when I could give a conspicuous, detailed outline of the three points below, that was the moment when I, for the first time in my near 55-year life, was finally able to explain the True Gospel to another person. Prior to this moment of discovery, I was only able to give the bits and the pieces . . . which explains why I hadn't ever really given the Gospel to anyone. Had anyone asked me to explain the Gospel to them, I would have stumbled, for the "church" does not offer any classes on how to effectively transmit the Gospel to another person. Yes, I'm speaking in general terms, as I'm sure that there is a Church out there, somewhere, that has such classes, but I've been around the christian block for many decades and in my experience, the church is not taking the Gospel seriously. If I were a Pastor, or held any effective teaching role in a church, be it even a 1st grade class, my students would immediately begin to be taught the True Gospel of Jesus Christ. I would help to flush down the toilet their nominal view.

Until I was able to explain in the detail the three below points, I was virtually incapable of explaining the Gospel to anyone. They are:

1) The Purpose of Christ.
2) The Work of Christ.
3) The Effect of Christ.

I'm not smart at all. I'm not special. I'm not gifted. And certainly, the Lord does not require me in any sense whatsoever. All that I did was ask myself, "What is the True Gospel?" And then, with that question in mind, I began reading and cataloging ever passage in the Bible that might answer that question. And so that is what I have done, reading the Bible in a timeline, chronological order so that I might understand the Gospel, or, the Story of God.
There is only one Gospel, and it is fortunately very simple - believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.

John 6:28-64
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
 

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There is only one Gospel, and it is fortunately very simple - believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.
But this isn't the Gospel. The phrase that you quoted is nothing more than a chapter title of a book. I don't mean to be disrespectful . . . not at all. Rather, what I am trying to do is press into the minds of people that we realize that the Gospel is a Mystery that must be unpacked and understood. If we don't describe the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Effect of Christ, then a person has no idea of WHO Jesus is. This is the problem that the Pharisees, Sadducees, and teachers of the law suffered from . . . they believed that physical circumcision is what saved them. But if they could have understood the Purpose, Work, and Effect of Christ, then a belief in Jesus would have saved them. But, they didn't believe these things about Jesus . . . which is exactly what Paul was obviously preaching and teaching them. We know that Paul taught these groups these things, for we have the letters that he wrote that contains the teachings.

But as Paul said, God blinded their hearts so that they could NOT see, hear, nor understand. And of course, this is all the Plan of God.

Romans 11:7-8 NLT - "So this is the situation: Most of the people of Israel have not found the favor of God they are looking for so earnestly. A few have--the ones God has chosen--but the hearts of the rest were hardened. As the Scriptures say, "God has put them into a deep sleep. To this day he has shut their eyes so they do not see, and closed their ears so they do not hear."