Is God Moving In Ukraine?

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jennymae

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What a propaganda driven view.

Have you seen the music video of Ukraine's Zalensky dressed in black bondage gear and high heels dancing with other transvestites and making sexual gestures with body and mouth? I don't speak Russian so I have no clue what the words were... but they were obviously perversion.

Did you see Soros' recent statement endorsing Ukraine?

Did you see one of Ukraine's PMs saying in a public statement "We fight for the New World Order"?

Did you know that thousands of Ukrainians had been murdered by other Ukrainians before Russia even crossed the border?

Did you know that Ukraine's Azov Battalion is the only overtly Nazi national military unit in the world?

Did you know that Ukraine has committed war crimes by freeing prisoners and arming them to fight (die) against the Russians?

Did you know that in a recent public official statement, Ukraine's Special Operations Command told Russian troops not to bother surrendering because they will just be slaughtered like pigs (exact words) -- another war crime?

Did you know that prior to this conflict, the Azov Battalion was blocked on Facebook for their Nazi views but Facebook has temporarily unblocked them in order to stir up pro-Ukraine support?

Did you know that the United States has been running illegal bioweapons labs in over two dozen nations around the world in foreign labs where workers are covered by diplomatic immunity, and these labs are even involved in illegal human testing of biological agents? Did you know that Ukraine is one of the nations that the United States has partnered with for this purpose?

https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...t-you-know-who-the-good-guys-are-in-this.html
https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...ces-theyre-going-to-start-committing-war.html
https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...-democracy-sure-requires-an-awful-lot-of.html
This is right out of the Russian propaganda playbook. I don’t know why an American citizen would be advocating such.
 
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What a propaganda driven view.

Have you seen the music video of Ukraine's Zalensky dressed in black bondage gear and high heels dancing with other transvestites and making sexual gestures with body and mouth? I don't speak Russian so I have no clue what the words were... but they were obviously perversion.

Soooo you're saying Russia is totally in the right and there isn't one true Christian in Ukraine.
 

Roughsoul1991

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This is right out of the Russian propaganda playbook. I don’t know why an American citizen would be advocating such.
Unfortunately many young Americans have been taught the communist propaganda and see countries like America as the true evil. If that is in our education system then it is easy to believe the lies of the enemy.
 

Roughsoul1991

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This is right out of the Russian propaganda playbook. I don’t know why an American citizen would be advocating such.
This propaganda is also being pushed in groups like Qanon

QAnon followers and influencers have celebrated Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, falsely believing it is part of a battle against the "deep state."

https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-followers-celebrate-putins-purge-ukraine-1682341

Even taking the false Trump and Russia collision to the extreme saying this was Trump's plan all along.

Funny if you ask me. But many Christians and Conservatives fell for this groups false prophecies.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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RS . . . I have been reading from many that the "End" could begin within the next six months. Frankly, I believe the Word when it says that Jesus will come as though a thief in the night, which indicates to me that we should see, generally, peaceful times.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 NLT - "Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don't really need to write you. 2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. 3 When people are saying, "Everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor pains begin. And there will be no escape."

The LAST thing this world knows is peace, in fact, in my near 55 years of living, I have never witnessed such unrest. So, why would I expect the end to begin now if there is no peace?

What do you believe?
 

ZNP

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Soooo you're saying Russia is totally in the right and there isn't one true Christian in Ukraine.
I don't understand what you
RS . . . I have been reading from many that the "End" could begin within the next six months. Frankly, I believe the Word when it says that Jesus will come as though a thief in the night, which indicates to me that we should see, generally, peaceful times.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 NLT - "Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don't really need to write you. 2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. 3 When people are saying, "Everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor pains begin. And there will be no escape."

The LAST thing this world knows is peace, in fact, in my near 55 years of living, I have never witnessed such unrest. So, why would I expect the end to begin now if there is no peace?

What do you believe?
I believe that the fall of the USSR 1991 is where we said "peace and security" and this ushered in the most amazing period of peace, security and prosperity. The prosperity we have seen in the last 30 years since 1991 could only have been dreamed of in past generations.

I also believe that 1967 when Israel returned to Jerusalem was a jubilee year making 2017 a Jubilee year as well when we had the amazing Revelation 12 sign in the heavens. It would also be the 120th jubilee in human history.

However, 2020 is when the Lord came and asked why the fig tree didn't have any fruit and threatened to cut it down with the pandemic.

Then it was given one more year to dung it and 2021 in Hebrew was "the dung year".

What did we see happen in Canada with Trudeau freezing bank accounts -- the thief in the night. what just happened in Russia with us cutting them off from the SWIFT system -- the thief in the night, sudden destruction, banks went bankrupt, ruble lost half its value, stock market collapsed.

Think about it the USSR collapsed on Christmas, a holiday where we celebrate Santa (Satan) coming into your house like a thief and exchanging the grace of God for junk from the Mall. This is the apostasy, trading the word of God for the Satanic materialism gospel.
 

Roughsoul1991

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RS . . . I have been reading from many that the "End" could begin within the next six months. Frankly, I believe the Word when it says that Jesus will come as though a thief in the night, which indicates to me that we should see, generally, peaceful times.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 NLT - "Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don't really need to write you. 2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. 3 When people are saying, "Everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor pains begin. And there will be no escape."

The LAST thing this world knows is peace, in fact, in my near 55 years of living, I have never witnessed such unrest. So, why would I expect the end to begin now if there is no peace?

What do you believe?
To me I believe this peace is speaking of the first half or 3 years of the tribulation. Because great evil will take place leading up to the one world order and the rule of the antiChrist which will have peace with Jerusalem until he breaks it midway through the 7 years. From peace to great evil but with great judgments by God as well. Then after 7 years, Christ returns, the battle of Armageddon begins and Christ defeats every nation against Him including the Antichrist. Satan is bound for 1000 years. Then comes Jesus's millennium kingdom on Earth.
 

ZNP

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I don't understand what you

I believe that the fall of the USSR 1991 is where we said "peace and security" and this ushered in the most amazing period of peace, security and prosperity. The prosperity we have seen in the last 30 years since 1991 could only have been dreamed of in past generations.

I also believe that 1967 when Israel returned to Jerusalem was a jubilee year making 2017 a Jubilee year as well when we had the amazing Revelation 12 sign in the heavens. It would also be the 120th jubilee in human history.

However, 2020 is when the Lord came and asked why the fig tree didn't have any fruit and threatened to cut it down with the pandemic.

Then it was given one more year to dung it and 2021 in Hebrew was "the dung year".

What did we see happen in Canada with Trudeau freezing bank accounts -- the thief in the night. what just happened in Russia with us cutting them off from the SWIFT system -- the thief in the night, sudden destruction, banks went bankrupt, ruble lost half its value, stock market collapsed.

Think about it the USSR collapsed on Christmas, a holiday where we celebrate Santa (Satan) coming into your house like a thief and exchanging the grace of God for junk from the Mall. This is the apostasy, trading the word of God for the Satanic materialism gospel.
Of course there are those who would have you believe that there is nothing to see here. You will need to decide.

 

Roughsoul1991

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I don't understand what you

I believe that the fall of the USSR 1991 is where we said "peace and security" and this ushered in the most amazing period of peace, security and prosperity. The prosperity we have seen in the last 30 years since 1991 could only have been dreamed of in past generations.

I also believe that 1967 when Israel returned to Jerusalem was a jubilee year making 2017 a Jubilee year as well when we had the amazing Revelation 12 sign in the heavens. It would also be the 120th jubilee in human history.

However, 2020 is when the Lord came and asked why the fig tree didn't have any fruit and threatened to cut it down with the pandemic.

Then it was given one more year to dung it and 2021 in Hebrew was "the dung year".

What did we see happen in Canada with Trudeau freezing bank accounts -- the thief in the night. what just happened in Russia with us cutting them off from the SWIFT system -- the thief in the night, sudden destruction, banks went bankrupt, ruble lost half its value, stock market collapsed.

Think about it the USSR collapsed on Christmas, a holiday where we celebrate Santa (Satan) coming into your house like a thief and exchanging the grace of God for junk from the Mall. This is the apostasy, trading the word of God for the Satanic materialism gospel.
Sometimes things are the way they are and there isn't a deeper truth or hidden knowledge that you must dig in between the lines to understand things. How you phrase certain things sounds like the same tactic that false prophets use. Subjective meanings tied together to try and paint a bigger narrative that isn't so.

2020 where did the Lord say because of this I'm sending a pandemic?

2021 year of the dung was for many in many countries indeed a c****y year lol.

The thief is related to how Jesus will return. Unexpected. That is all and has nothing to do with Canada.

There is my not-prophetic understanding.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I don't understand what you

I believe that the fall of the USSR 1991 is where we said "peace and security" and this ushered in the most amazing period of peace, security and prosperity. The prosperity we have seen in the last 30 years since 1991 could only have been dreamed of in past generations.

I also believe that 1967 when Israel returned to Jerusalem was a jubilee year making 2017 a Jubilee year as well when we had the amazing Revelation 12 sign in the heavens. It would also be the 120th jubilee in human history.

However, 2020 is when the Lord came and asked why the fig tree didn't have any fruit and threatened to cut it down with the pandemic.

Then it was given one more year to dung it and 2021 in Hebrew was "the dung year".

What did we see happen in Canada with Trudeau freezing bank accounts -- the thief in the night. what just happened in Russia with us cutting them off from the SWIFT system -- the thief in the night, sudden destruction, banks went bankrupt, ruble lost half its value, stock market collapsed.

Think about it the USSR collapsed on Christmas, a holiday where we celebrate Santa (Satan) coming into your house like a thief and exchanging the grace of God for junk from the Mall. This is the apostasy, trading the word of God for the Satanic materialism gospel.
Ok. I hear what you're saying, and yes, these things have happened. But do they equate to the Day of the Lord? When the Day of the Lord arrives, the following is said to happen. Have these things happened?

2 Peter 3:10 NIV - "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

I would submit that Christ isn't a metaphor that represents destruction, rather, destruction is literal, but Christ will be independent of that destruction. He will come [with] the destruction.

But hey . . . I will be the first to admit that I know nothing of eschatology. This has never been my interest or path of study . . . in the least! Again, I know nothing about this, so I openly admit no strength or position in this Biblical realm.

So what do you think of 2 Pet 3:10 above? Are these destructions required? Should we take this Scripture set seriously? Or . . . metaphorically?
 

Roughsoul1991

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RS . . . I have been reading from many that the "End" could begin within the next six months. Frankly, I believe the Word when it says that Jesus will come as though a thief in the night, which indicates to me that we should see, generally, peaceful times.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 NLT - "Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don't really need to write you. 2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. 3 When people are saying, "Everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor pains begin. And there will be no escape."

The LAST thing this world knows is peace, in fact, in my near 55 years of living, I have never witnessed such unrest. So, why would I expect the end to begin now if there is no peace?

What do you believe?
The end could be any moment. Nothing else must take place for those who believe a pre-trib rapture. For those who do not then you must have the events of the antichrist unfold and 7 years of trials and judgments before Christ returns to gather the church.

I believe in a pre trib rapture so I believe it could be any moment or any day.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Ok. I hear what you're saying, and yes, these things have happened. But do they equate to the Day of the Lord? When the Day of the Lord arrives, the following is said to happen. Have these things happened?

2 Peter 3:10 NIV - "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

I would submit that Christ isn't a metaphor that represents destruction, rather, destruction is literal, but Christ will be independent of that destruction. He will come [with] the destruction.

But hey . . . I will be the first to admit that I know nothing of eschatology. This has never been my interest or path of study . . . in the least! Again, I know nothing about this, so I openly admit no strength or position in this Biblical realm.

So what do you think of 2 Pet 3:10 above? Are these destructions required? Should we take this Scripture set seriously? Or . . . metaphorically?
It will be indeed complete destruction as the new Heaven, new Earth and new Jerusalem come into existence.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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To me I believe this peace is speaking of the first half or 3 years of the tribulation. Because great evil will take place leading up to the one world order and the rule of the antiChrist which will have peace with Jerusalem until he breaks it midway through the 7 years. From peace to great evil but with great judgments by God as well. Then after 7 years, Christ returns, the battle of Armageddon begins and Christ defeats every nation against Him including the Antichrist. Satan is bound for 1000 years. Then comes Jesus's millennium kingdom on Earth.
Hmmm . . . ok. Well, I appreciate what you've written. I don't think that I've been given the eyes nor ears to understand these things. I don't believe that my role in the Body of Christ is to understand them. I think that perhaps I meant to be used in a different way . . . I suppose I'll have to wait and see. :)

Either way, Christ has readied my regenerated Heart. I'm all in and ready to get on with it.
 

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It will be indeed complete destruction as the new Heaven, new Earth and new Jerusalem come into existence.
But, we're not in a period of peace, hence the Thief in the Night when no one expects the "end" to come. Right now, the threads that I have been involved with over the last week are focusing on end times . . . right now. In light of the Scripture, it doesn't seem logical or reasonable that we should expect to see Christ, for the expectation alone indicates that the Day of the Lord cannot be here. No one knows, not even the Son.

Mark 13:32-37 NLT - "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. And since you don't know when that time will come, be on guard! Stay alert! "The coming of the Son of Man can be illustrated by the story of a man going on a long trip. When he left home, he gave each of his slaves instructions about the work they were to do, and he told the gatekeeper to watch for his return. You, too, must keep watch! For you don't know when the master of the household will return--in the evening, at midnight, before dawn, or at daybreak. Don't let him find you sleeping when he arrives without warning. I say to you what I say to everyone: Watch for him!"
 

ZNP

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Sometimes things are the way they are and there isn't a deeper truth or hidden knowledge that you must dig in between the lines to understand things. How you phrase certain things sounds like the same tactic that false prophets use. Subjective meanings tied together to try and paint a bigger narrative that isn't so.

2020 where did the Lord say because of this I'm sending a pandemic?

2021 year of the dung was for many in many countries indeed a c****y year lol.

The thief is related to how Jesus will return. Unexpected. That is all and has nothing to do with Canada.

There is my not-prophetic understanding.
The book of Joel tells you that a worldwide pandemic precedes the day of the Lord and is the warning you get that the day of the Lord is here.

In typology the children of Israel enter the good land when the Jordan River stands up and stops flowing. A river typifies the economy. The world's economy stood up and stopped in 2020, something we have never seen before. You don't think there is any significance there be my guest.
 

ZNP

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Ok. I hear what you're saying, and yes, these things have happened. But do they equate to the Day of the Lord? When the Day of the Lord arrives, the following is said to happen. Have these things happened?

2 Peter 3:10 NIV - "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

I would submit that Christ isn't a metaphor that represents destruction, rather, destruction is literal, but Christ will be independent of that destruction. He will come [with] the destruction.

But hey . . . I will be the first to admit that I know nothing of eschatology. This has never been my interest or path of study . . . in the least! Again, I know nothing about this, so I openly admit no strength or position in this Biblical realm.

So what do you think of 2 Pet 3:10 above? Are these destructions required? Should we take this Scripture set seriously? Or . . . metaphorically?
The day of the Lord refers to the 7 years of the tribulation. The really horrific parts take place in the last half of that tribulation known as the great tribulation.

None of that has happened yet, the seven year tribulation begins with the Antichrist confirming a covenant with the many.

I didn't say the pandemic comes during the tribulation, I said it precedes the tribulation and lets you know the day of the Lord is at hand, not that it has already started.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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The book of Joel tells you that a worldwide pandemic precedes the day of the Lord and is the warning you get that the day of the Lord is here.

In typology the children of Israel enter the good land when the Jordan River stands up and stops flowing. A river typifies the economy. The world's economy stood up and stopped in 2020, something we have never seen before. You don't think there is any significance there be my guest.
This is all a Truly great mystery to me, as I've never studied Eschatology. If Jesus tells us that no one but the Father knows when the Day of the Lord will begin, why would the Bible outline it . . . essentially telling us when it would occur? In no way am I denying these warnings, for I have not kept track of them nor cataloged them, but something just doesn't seem right to me. My heart tells me that Christ will come when we are NOT expecting Him, thus we are to "remain clothed."

Man, oh man . . . I can see how I could get wrapped up in this.
 

ZNP

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The end could be any moment. Nothing else must take place for those who believe a pre-trib rapture. For those who do not then you must have the events of the antichrist unfold and 7 years of trials and judgments before Christ returns to gather the church.

I believe in a pre trib rapture so I believe it could be any moment or any day.
If you take the type of King David ruling in Hebron (heaven) for seven and a half years then you would say the pre-tribulation rapture will take place six months before the tribulation begins.

Also, if you take the queen of Sheba (7) as a type of the church being raptured to the heavens to see all of the heavenly kings kingdom the tour is for six months. This also may suggest that the rapture of the church (7 lampstands) in Revelation 4 takes place 6 months before the opening of the seals and the start of the tribulation.

Most agree that the Feast of Trumpets will be fulfilled with the start of the tribulation and the covenant by the antichrist with the many.

Six months before that would be March which also is when "winter is over" according to the prophecy in Song of Songs.

BTW as amazing as the sign in the heavens was in 2017 the sign in the heavens March 18 of the planets crossing the river in a line led by the king planet Jupiter and being chased by Saturn depicting Satan and his host is just as amazing.
 

ZNP

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This is all a Truly great mystery to me, as I've never studied Eschatology. If Jesus tells us that no one but the Father knows when the Day of the Lord will begin, why would the Bible outline it . . . essentially telling us when it would occur? In no way am I denying these warnings, for I have not kept track of them nor cataloged them, but something just doesn't seem right to me. My heart tells me that Christ will come when we are NOT expecting Him, thus we are to "remain clothed."

Man, oh man . . . I can see how I could get wrapped up in this.
The Bible doesn't say that, the Day of the Lord is the most detailed period of seven years in the entire Bible. There are more prophecies and details on this seven year period than any other period in the Bible.

Why does everyone focus on one verse while ignoring all the other verses, Peter told us specifically that no verse is of its own interpretation.

Jesus said that no one knows the day or the hour but the Father only. He didn't say that no one will know, only that at that time no one knew meaning you will not find it in any prophecy or word in scripture.

However, He also likened His coming to a bridegroom coming to get His bride in a Jewish wedding. In that scenario it is the father who knows when the time has come, he then tells the son that all things are ready he can get his bride who then tells all his friends to help him and they go with trumpets announcing the bridegroom has come. So obviously if you put these two together the Lord is telling you that if you are His friend and in close relationship with Him you will know when the time comes. Amos says that God does nothing without telling the prophets first, so again, just because we weren't told 2,000 years ago doesn't mean we won't be told prior to the Lord's coming, rather it means you must be in relationship and "watching". Then in Revelation to the church in Sardis they were warned that if they didn't watch they wouldn't know the day or hour of His coming. What kind of threat is that if that were the case for everyone? That would only be a threat if those who are watching do know the day of His coming.
 

ZNP

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But, we're not in a period of peace, hence the Thief in the Night when no one expects the "end" to come. Right now, the threads that I have been involved with over the last week are focusing on end times . . . right now. In light of the Scripture, it doesn't seem logical or reasonable that we should expect to see Christ, for the expectation alone indicates that the Day of the Lord cannot be here. No one knows, not even the Son.

Mark 13:32-37 NLT - "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. And since you don't know when that time will come, be on guard! Stay alert! "The coming of the Son of Man can be illustrated by the story of a man going on a long trip. When he left home, he gave each of his slaves instructions about the work they were to do, and he told the gatekeeper to watch for his return. You, too, must keep watch! For you don't know when the master of the household will return--in the evening, at midnight, before dawn, or at daybreak. Don't let him find you sleeping when he arrives without warning. I say to you what I say to everyone: Watch for him!"
The context of these verses is comparing the Lord's return to the ruler of a great house and the butler not knowing the day or the hour of the return. Therefore you should be preparing the house for his return so that when He does come it isn't a mess. Now if the master had gone on a long trip say from UK to America you might not know when he is returning but you should have a good idea. You might know when he is planning to take the boat back, you might know that he will take the train from London and you know when the train's arrive, and when he arrives in London he might call or send a telegram ahead to let you know he is almost there. That is the context of this verse, but there are other examples given as well.

1. The Jewish wedding. The Bridegroom spends two years preparing a place while the bride also spends two years preparing what she needs. Just because they aren't married doesn't mean they don't see each other. The Bride could easily visit Him every weekend to see how the construction is going along and so she would know when the place is prepared. She might not know the day or the hour but if she is watching she would have a very, very good idea of when it would be.

2. A thief in the night. You don't know the day or hour that a thief is going to strike which is why you have to watch.

3. A farmer with a crop he is harvesting. He doesn't know ahead of time the day or hour the crop will be ripe and need to be harvested which is why he must watch.

4. A pregnant woman doesn't know the day or the hour that the baby will be born which is why she must watch.

In every case the context is not "no one knows so why bother" rather it is "no one knows therefore you must be more diligent to watch".

Now consider as the day approaches the pregnant woman is going to know, the farmer is going to know, the bride is going to know. The only people who don't know are shameful and irresponsible.