Is Paul or Jesus your main guide?

Also, let me briefly explain myself. If you want to have a Bible discussion then we need to not use our opinions, interpretations, or secondary extra-Biblical sources as a premise.

If you want to discuss those later we can do that as long as it’s clearly denoted as opinion, interpretation, and non-scriptural sources. If it’s easier just pose questions. There are no invalid questions, but there is always one answer.

We should also make careful consideration to not contradict the modern canonized Bible preferred by Protestants. If anything, whether personal revelations, opinion, or prophecy contradicts the Word or just does not mesh or jive with the Spirit or the written Word then throw it out.

Your source from “the Gospel of the Holy Twelve” contradicts the Bible and I can prove it.

I gave you a dozen verses, what you mean "non-scriptural"?

This is not scripture:

“No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.”

In fact it contradicts the Bible, too, many times.

Runningman
So you are ignoring all the Scripture I gave you? All those verses testify blood sacrifice is an abomination.

What I understand of your post sounds very interesting, but what does "and walk it out"? mean.

Iy seems to me the there is trouble in this world because we agree with scripture in theory but we don't believe in walking the walk that Christ shows us.

This is a wonderful site to help guide bible study, but it is almost entirely about doctrine and what to believe, almost nothing about walking as Christ tells us to walk.

Proper doctrine is what leads us to it

“And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it is The right belief that gives us the ability to walk it’s something believing the gospel of the kingdom does for us

“Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.

This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:18-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the hearing of faith. when doctrine is received in a believer that’s what changes our ways and leads us into changed actions. Causing us to walk we need the quickening of the gospel in our heart

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As we learn the gospel oir faith is built so we can walk by faith

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭

We begin with simplicity John 3:16 , John 5:24 it builds trust in Jesus but later as we grow we come to this type of thing that causes us to move

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to a believer that’s going to have a tangible and sincere effect it’s meant to shape how we believe because we walk by faith structured by what we allow into our heart whether good or evil

We’re like trees that bear fruit of the inner man is healthy the fruit will be

“A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil:..”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s when we consistently reject the thkngs in doctrine that teach us to act and step forth in faith to at leaves us fruitless

The right doctrine is the only right answer if we accept the wrong things it won’t lead to the right place

“preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:2-4‬ ‭

that’s why the church is so cattywompass and bears little fruit of the spirit because doctrines coming from false teachers have spread through the church leading folk astray

Jesus was very clear that most would have an outward form of Godliness whereas those who were truly His would walk in His power doing greater works than His.
If talking about God, doctrine and theology isn't producing greater works than His, one is missing the mark and the adversary is having his way.
We are REQUIRED to know Him in deep, one on one, personal relationship, hearing what He is guiding us to do and doing it, that is "walking it out" .
best wishes

here’s something that shows that Paul was witnessing the same to believers who had heard and believed the gospel

“We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬

They learned it from Epaphras a dear brother in Christ.

they learned and believed what was preached from this time forward well
Before Paul was converted to the church

“Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word. Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they were scattered partly because Paul was persecuting the church.and began a persecution against them Before his conversion. It was being preached all through those regions ot doesn’t matter who preaches the gospel ot matters if they are preaching the true gospel the word of Christ

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

….So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul later was converted to the church and made a powerful Witness of the gospel of the kingdom of God

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But whoever whichever disciple preached the gospel has no matter it’s the gospel that we need to believe and be saved by was the point it was already spread throughout the regions because partly Paul ( Saul ) was persecuting them beforehand

Here’s Paul’s witness that it doesn’t matter who Preaches it especially among the apostles

“For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you should give up On the idea that there are different gospels and just believe the gospel you’ll find what Paul preached and believed on
Matthew mark Luke and John then his wonderful revelations coming from it will make great sense and help is near more fruit as we believe

who preached the gospel To them doesn’t matter it’s the gospel that matters and saves souls

Yes, I guess you could say he was "destroying His vineyard":

Jeremiah 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.
13 They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

Those who "destroy His vineyard", even tho they "have sown wheat", they "shall reap thorns":

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
There is only One Gospel, "this gospel" with the "memorial of her":

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

This is the Gospel that was preached by all the Apostles, before Paul (Saul) even wrote a single letter.
As for the Gospel that saves it is the Gospel of Him who Has Eternal Life, which is the Son:

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

The Witness of God is greater:

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

Choose you this day whom ye will serve. As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Yep this is where the offer is made

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And this is who preached it at the first and sent out witnesses testifying of his truth

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is when he began preaching the word of life eternal that has no expiration date

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and salvation is given to those who hear and believe

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those in all nations who accept it

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it turns out it’s the knowledge of the true and everlasting God who’s made himself known

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But some have only heard this much

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


and it offers eternal Life to believers were all at different stages of understanding but belong to him from the start the babes and the elders can trust in him and what he said because it’s promise is true throughout and will never change

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. …But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ots as simple as believing in Jesus and hearing his word that offers eternal life he’s able to do the rest and bring us into repentance and obedience if we don’t turn away

Where did that comment come from? Epaphras is the one who delivered the gospel unto them.

Colossians 1
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.

Colossians 4
11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.
12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
13 For I bear him record, that he hath a great zeal for you, and them that are in Laodicea, and them in Hierapolis.

Paul spoke the truth from and Lord, Christ was the Lord. They are scripture.

However, anyone who studies only the letters or only the gospel would have a different idea about what is most important to the Lord. The gospels emphasize walking with the Lord, the letters emphasize christian doctrine.

Paul also relates how he was traveling to Asia for the gospel when he received the dream by the Holy Spirit to change his direction, and the rest is history.

the gospel is this

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s Gods true doctrine which offers life which all the apostles believed and witnessed later . it’s this

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The teachings of God which all the prophets including Moses foretold would come with the messiah

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it’s this most importantly

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s life for those who receive it and sadly it’s this for those who refuse it

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it is what men will Be judged by when they appear before the lord to give account. Not are they perfect but did they accept the word of God and believe and learn from him and let him change thier ways and bring them into Gods ways

the apostles were helping to make the mysterious things of the gospel more plain more revealed they were revelators the doctrine is this

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the apostles and disciples were those who witnessed its truth to the world. Jesus word is our source of life , the apostles all Understood and shared the same teachings with everyone who believed.

The gospel is Gods doctrine that will give life or judgement in the end, it is the true law and eternal judgement of God promised in the prophets beforehand and shown in veiled figures through the law, witnesses also By the apostles and disciples like James and luke , mark ect

it is this

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this

“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, that thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The epistles are just glimpses into what the apostles preached addressing certain matters or touching on certain points of the gospel to help understanding of Gods word the gospel , flow into the church.


And yes blick the gospel teaches us to put our faith into action I agree there , it comes down to how we treat other people as we go through life. But first we have to hear and believe what he’s saying to ever know what Gods Will is which is what the doctrine teaches believers who hear Jesus , Gods Will

Jesus IS the TRUTH....... John 14:6

Paul is an apostle, called to deliver to the gentiles, "The Gospel of the Grace of God". and Church doctrine.
Jesus is your Savior, and Paul is your example.
Paul said..>"be a follower of me, as i follow Christ".
No other Apostle told you that.....only Paul.
To follow, means to follow.....>Its means to study the ways........and that is what Christ would have you do, and that is why Paul wrote most of the NT, that isn't the Gospels or The Revelation.

Basically, everything you as a believer would need to know regarding Christianity, Paul has written.

Some of you are very interested in Gifts of the Spirit. Well, all that teaching comes from Paul's epistles.

How to deal with your wife and husband..... This is Paul who teaches you.
How to start a Church....How to choose a Pastor.... How to preach the Gospel.... How to die as a Martyr.
All this is taught by Paul, as he is the "chosen vessel" ..who Christ chose, after The Lord went back to Glory.
Even Peter, during Peter's later years, .. had Paul's letters, and Peter said they were equal to the TORAH.
Equal to the Bible.
And this is a fact that's been proven for 1800 yrs....= as Paul's letters that Peter had in his hand, became most of the New Testament.

Paul elabotares on what Jesus taught.

Very True.
In fact, Jesus...took him aside for 3 yrs.....and taught him what Paul teaches us as Church Doctrine, and "the Gospel of the Grace of God", and many other important revelations.

That is right, he stayed in Damascus for 3 years did he not.
The man who was to meet him and bring healing to him was very reluctant, but did so out of obedience to Holy Spirit guidance.
This series brings up the difference Jesus spoke of about these days, that many would have an outward form of Godliness, His Own would do greater works that He.