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Now the Bible is a textbook on solid geometry? Um, no. You are forcing your interpretation onto the text. As I stated previously, and you ignored, one can draw a circle on the exterior of many different shapes, including spheres.

Then likewise I will also ask them and find out for myself, but I do hope you see what they told you here they said it means to encircle to compass to round do you know what these expressions mean? they are revolving expressions not flat expressions so while for the moment until I get my answer from the rabbi we will be at a stand still on the whole sphere or orb thing your flat earth thing is also at a stand still as encircling comass drawing around all are about revolving they have nothing to do with anything being flat so by trying to prove me wrong in a way you did my job for me the word circle in the scripture you posted is meant to be read as a revolving word not a flat word.

So in short @DanielLL once again the hebrew language pulls through nothing of what they wrote says any mention of anything remotely involving flatness only revolving or encircling so the ball is in your court now

plain and understandable lol

you responded to this:

not just thoughts.
also ways.
ways of the Author of scripture.
the ways of the Author of scripture are as high above your ways as the heavens are higher than the earth


what's that mean?
God is only 2,000 miles higher than you?
The Almighty - reachable in a few hours by airship?

you really think?
you really think the Infinite God who wrote scripture -- you really think you comprehend that?
His infinite words infinitely above yours?
you got this?

you've never heard of Psalm 139:6?
Psalm 40:5?
Psalm 131:1?
Proverbs 30:2?
Romans 11:33?
Job 42:3?
Psalm 71:17?

you think none of that applies to you?
you think all those things are uninspired?


just questions.
because wow
God is not confined to our vain, pitiable human ways of thinking and doing.
have some awe of Him and His ways
the unsearchable wonder of His creation is to humble us, so we say, what is man that He is mindful of us?
but you REALLY think this awesome work is just a little fish tank?

how vogue
smh

Well, the globe earth is the one who is billions of years old, and denies creationism. The flat earth is only counts the years since creation. So if you don't believe in evolution, neither should you believe in a earth that has billions of years. The flat earth is the most biblical accurate view.
Ok, we agree on "encircling" with a compass. Now as for the rest of the verse: "on the face of the deep".

The "deep" is waters:
Strong's:
primaeval ocean, deep, in Hebrew cosmogony, ׳מְּנֵי ת Genesis 1:2 (P; "" מְּנֵי הַמַּיִם), Proverbs 8:27 ("" שָׁמַיִם), Psalm 104:6.
Chabad.org:
Genesis 1:2 on the face of the deep: on the face of the waters which were on the earth.
Psalm 104:6 the deep: That is the sea.

The face of waters is a "surface":
Strong's:
b. From the sense of surface, Genesis 1:2 עלפֿני תהום upon the face of the deep

surface
/ˈsəːfɪs/
noun

1.the outside part or uppermost layer of something.
"the earth's surface"
2.GEOMETRY
a continuous set of points that has length and breadth but no thickness.

Now it's on you to explain, how can a sphere be drawn by a compass, on a two dimentional surface that has "no thickness"?
How can a sphere be drawn by a compass at all? Seeing the circumference is itself a circle, and not a sphere.
-So, it can't, that is why He drew a circle on the face of the deep, as it is written.

Yes He is above, but His Word is revealed and we can receive it and understand:

Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

Habakkuk 2:2 And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Proverbs 14:6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Proverbs 17:24 Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Why would the Word be written for men to read, if no man that readeth it could understand it? But the Word was written to those who have understanding. To them it is plain.

"plain to him that understands"

don't you read your own posts?

you're not seeking God here;
when i speak of His majesty, How unsearchable are His ways! you protest.
you're boasting,
and you're trying to indoctrinate Christians into an idiotic flat-earth conspiracy theory.

why?

The globe earth is a 'what', not a 'who'. It does not deny anything because it has no will or reasoning power. Similarly, the flat earth does not count as it has no intelligent mind to do so.


Hogwash... and the word is 'biblically'.

That's moronic. You don't simply dredge whatever definition from the dictionary that happens to suit your interpretation. Learn how to interpret Scripture properly and stop wasting everyone's time with your eisegesis.

does God mean that if you travel to the edge of the universe, where the glass dome meets the ground in Antarctica, your ways will be equal to His ways?
seeing that @DanielLL is preaching flat earth
and that he is preaching "the heavens" are just a thin layer of deception made to trick us into looking exactly like impossibly distant stars and stuff
since of course @DanielLL believes it is to God's glory to fool us if we consider the work of God's hands ((. . .? bruh? really?))
and he is preaching the heavens touch the ground at the edge of the earth

hey -- if you go to Antarctica, you will technically be higher than the heavens. they will be at your feet if you stand next to the aquarium wall.
so then God says your ways will be higher than His? your thoughts higher than His?
is that what flat-earth-religion teaches about Isaiah 55:8-9?

wow this is all so much to take in.

you flat-experts are going to have to teach me how to understand Isaiah, probably
i am surely more stupid than any man
surely i do not have understanding
surely i do not have knowledge of The Holy One!

and here i thought Christianity was about Jesus!
what an idiot i have been

The same way an onion has a surface upon every layer that it has yet it is in the shape of a sphere so can the earths oceans have layers. Now as for drawing a sphere you are comparing a person drawing a sphere to God creating one that is hardly a good example just because you cannot draw a sphere doesn't mean that the earth cannot have layers be a sphere and be a circle all at once. if an onion can be as it is why can the earth not be the same?

And again as I mentioned earlier in this thread we are not talking about the image of a circle we are talking about the word circle since that is the whole thing your basing your theory on

You forgot that you have to draw it on a two dimentional surface that has "no thickness".
The Word doesn't say God created, it says: "He drew a circle"
You can't have a sphere beeing a circle and a circle beeing a sphere, they are not the same thing. This is basic geometry, childreen level. It goes to show the lenghts you are willing to go to, in order to keep your sphere, which you have inserted into the Word, and is not written by anyone anywhere, as we have seen already.
Because the Word says He drew a (singular) circle. It doesn't say He draw multiple circles, neither smaller than each other, nor anything. He drew a circle (singular). You can't draw a singular circle with a compass on a flat surface, don't try to draw multiple

Well, if there are none that understand Scripture, may I ask, what are you doing in a Bible discussion forum? Sharing your "no understanding" of Scripture, heh? Discussing about those things, you know, that "none understand", right?

Ah, you see, there are some that understand after all.

That’s hypocrisy, given that you inserted “no thickness” and “two dimensional” into the Word where it simply says “surface”.

Huh? In what world? Even a child can do that.

If ever there was a someone "leaning to their own understanding" it is you. As Dino said, learn Biblical Hebrew & Koine Greek. It took me a couple of years, and it has helped me tremendously in studying the Bible.

Instead of using an archaic Bible full of obsolete words, or faux amis, (false friends) words that meant one thing 400 years ago, and have changed completely today, dig into the original languages, and reevaluate your theory in the OP!

Even though I read Greek and Hebrew well, I don't know Latin or Early Modern English. But I do know that space is NOT water, and you are taking words out of context, which is bad Bible interpretation, and forcing them to say something never intended by the writer, nor God.

The more you write, the more you demonstrate that you are poorly educated. I'm not talking about the Bible, but just spelling words correctly!

1. Beeing? Is this when bee 🐝 hive keepers go and get the honey? Here we go abeeing so merrily, trah La la La la!
The word is "being." It's from the infinitive verb ""to be."

2." Childreen?" maybe you are a on a manual typewriter and the E sticks? Seriously, I had an ancient typewriter for my undergrad degree, and the W stuck. Roll out the white eraser tape.

3. "He draw" last paragraph, second line. No, he drew. Simple past tense, third person masculine singular of the word, "to draw." Or maybe it is "He draws"? Present tense. Hard to figure out if you are talking present or past tense.

Of course, we all make typos and sometimes auto spell check can change it, to something we never intended. But, a simple proof reading of the post before posting should reveal a few of those mistakes. Editing. It's something you learn starting in La grade 4, all the way to grade 12, or don't they teach that anymore?

My point is you have done this in many posts. You pretend to be a big Bible scholar, but you write at maybe a grade 7 level. Even if you were right (which you are NOT!) it's off putting for people to dodge around the numerous writing mistakes and then believe any if your eisegetical wandering through the Bible. Your actual theory shows how little you know about Bible interpretation, to say nothing of science.

I believe in a young earth. I have many scientific reasons. In fact, I read a lot of books, and started believing the paradigm of a young earth, before I believed in Christ. I was quite persuaded on the basis of science that evolution was not possible, although I had no clue who created the earth. God brought people into my life to witness to me, and then showed me Jesus is the Saviour of the earth! Then I knew Jesus was the Creator God.

My advice is learn to write English, study Bible interpretation, and learn Biblical Hebrew and a Koine Greek. Then you will realize what a ridiculous flat earth theory you have created!

Stop using Strong's as a scholarly reference book. It is a concordance! It starts with KJV English, flips a gloss off a Hebrew or Greek word, then converts it back to English. I used it before I could read Greek or Hebrew, and had no clue about good hermeneutics. I also found some very interesting theories, which I now know are incorrect. That is growing as a Christian, when you can acknowledge your silly mistakes!

You are going to have to learn to use lexicons, which translate from the original languages to English.

Brown-Driver-Briggs for Hebrew. BDAG or Bauer for Koine Greek. Plus, these lexicons don't just have the most common gloss. They list every use of a Hebrew or Greek work, then where they are referenced in the Bible. I use those books for everything. I have a few other Greek and Hebrew tools, plus commentaries, and an "Exegetical and Linguistic Key to the New Testament." I challenge you to learn the alphabets for Hebrew and Greek, and use The Lexicons, instead of a KJV Concordance of English to English!