Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

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TMS

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The 20th century saw a particularly pronounced increase in meat consumption, thanks to economic growth, developments in meat production technology, and intensified urbanization. A meat-based diet became the symbol of wealth, and meat consumption was regarded to be the best way to satisfy one’s nutritional needs. On a global scale, the fast and constant growth of the human population results in the need to increase food production. However, the intensive mass-scale animal-based production is linked to numerous strains on the environment. Intensive meat production also requires new areas and resources (e.g., huge amounts of water, electricity, fuels of transport, etc.). To reduce the demand for additional land for agriculture, production technologies used nowadays involve genetic modifications and the use of chemical substances (e.g., pesticides, antibiotics, hormones). In 2013, FAO (The Food and Agriculture Organization) reported that livestock farming accounted for 14.5% of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.

In light of these issues, it seems necessary to decrease meat consumption and promote a massive change of eating habits in favor of a sustainable diet. It must be borne in mind, however, that a meat-based diet not only influences the health and nutritional level of individuals, but may also shape the communities’ psycho-social profiles [a]. A deficiency in ingredients found in meat-based products may also affect the individual’s psychological state and behaviour . On the other hand, consuming too much processed meat may have a negative impact on the development and functioning of the human body [c]. For example, the most recent study shows that consumption of nitrated dry cured meat was associated with current mood disorders (i.e., mania), and that feeding rats with meat containing added nitrate resulted in hyperactivity reminiscent of human mania, and alterations in brain pathways that have been involved in human bipolar disorder [d].

In individuals that like to eat meat, the reconciliation of the morally dubious aspects with their own hedonistic needs results in defence mechanisms and in rationalizing their own behaviour. Rationalization allows them to maintain their own image of a decent and moral person. Studies have identified three main justifications that meat eaters use; they believe that eating meat is natural, normal and necessary (Three Ns of Justification). It is natural, as eating meat is a consequence of human evolution, and the human body is adapted to meat consumption. It is normal, as meat is a type of food commonly consumed in developed societies. It is necessary, as meat contains the necessary nutrients, and its consumption is indispensable for ensuring health and good physical state. These convictions are acquired in the process of socialization by means of different social media: family, religion, mass media, etc.

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Snacks

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Another consolation is that the animals do not know what is awaiting them.
Meat is the staple of my diet so I fully understand my hypocrisy, but sadly some animals know they’re headed for slaughter. There are heart wrenching videos on YouTube showing lamb crying and dolphins screaming.

On a sidenote, my very first post on this site, outside of saying hello, was a recipe for cheeseburgers.
 
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There are heart wrenching videos on YouTube showing lamb crying and dolphins screaming.
I have not watched these videos and do not plan to. That does not surprise me as they approach the processing and hear screams, but I doubt they know when they are in the pen, field, etc. Not the same weight but a lot of Jews didn't know they were going to the gas chambers.
 
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It is not a transgression to kill animals for food, for harvesting their parts like skins for use in a responsible manner, and it is fair to kill an animal in defense of your life or the life of others (including your own animals). There is however a truth that a wise son takes thought to the life of his beasts and the figure of a shepherd is even one who tends to animals.

On the other side of the coin though remember that some animals if given the chance will kill you and devour you in a heartbeat, they will do such without any compunction or thought. There is also a certain darkness to the animals seeing as Satan is an animal and the humans he convinces of his Lies start acting like brute beasts, just like him, fit only for the great of slaughter when the Lord Jesus Christ puts them to the Sword and makes a sacrifice of their bodies and blood to the beasts of the field and the birds of heaven, glory to the Great Supper of the Lord, glory to the Son of Man, Jesus Christ, amen.
 

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I have not watched these videos and do not plan to. That does not surprise me as they approach the processing and hear screams, but I doubt they know when they are in the pen, field, etc. Not the same weight but a lot of Jews didn't know they were going to the gas chambers.
Thank you for responding as you have. I’m waiting for someone to get nasty with me because of my hypocrisy. Thank you for not being that person. And I like what you shared in its entirety. You have excellent insight. 😊
 
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There is also a certain darkness to the animals seeing as Satan is an animal and the humans he convinces of his Lies start acting like brute beasts
I do not think animals even snakes are evil (not sure if this is supported by the Bible) though we know that snakes will always be associated with Satan and deception. When a person or the Beast is referred to as an animal it is because they are inhuman which is more a trait in humans or demonic being than animals.
 
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I do not think animals even snakes are evil (not sure if this is supported by the Bible) though we know that snakes will always be associated with Satan and deception. When a person or the Beast is referred to as an animal it is because they are inhuman which more a trait in humans than animals.
Animals can certainly be evil, Satan is evil. Enmity between the Sons of Mother Eve and the serpent and his brood until the end of time when the Lord my God kills him and my Lord Jesus Christ slaughters his entire army of the creations he deceived, yea all the deceived creations that the serpent corrupted will be slaughtered by the power of the ultimate Sword of his mouth, praise the Lord Jesus Christ!
 
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On this subject which comes up from time to time in popular religious discourse there is always the citation of God providing skins to Adam and Eve, but of course this is God and there is nothing unlawful for God the Creator to do with anything in his Creation. However right in the next chapter you will have the very first instance recorded of a human killing an animal to make considerations about.

Now Abel was a man that raised animals, he was not cruel to his animals at all but loved them and tended to them, but nevertheless when it came time to perform the first sacrifice to the Lord my God, Abel indeed killed an animal and even showed the genuine spirit of sacrifice by offering the best of his flock, a highly valuable and prized part of his substance he did willingly give up in offerings of thanksgiving to my Lord who had given Abel much, a genuine thing to sacrifice to the Lord my God, and it is recorded that Abel's sacrifice was shown favor by the God.
 
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Jesus was innocent.
Agreed, that is the reason why it is impossible for Him to shed innocent blood, because He is the Way or the Law.
It seems you ignored the verses I gave... and all the laws in Leviticus.
I didn't ignore, this is what it is written about the covenant of Levi:
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
The law required the killing of animals.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.

-I know there are verses who tell us to shed innocent blood, but this every person has do decide for themselves, whether they think Father is a God who delights in the shedding of innocent blood, or He is against it and calls it an abomination.
 
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Nowhere does that say the kings delicacies were meat products
So Daniel wouldn't defile himself with "vegetable" so he told the eunuch: "give us vegetables". I think it does say, you just don't want to see it. Because you have to abandon logic to defend your view.
There is, however, a human physical need for eight specific amino acids. It is difficult to obtain these in bioavailable form and in balance from plant sources only. Eat meat, get them all, in balance. It's an easy choice.
Chapter and verse?
It says nothing about eating vegetables generally, and nothing at all about the subject of this thread.
Yes it does, within 10 days of eating vegetables, the results are positive: "better and fatter in the flesh".
The Bible has 66 books and letters within it.
The Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate and the KJV 1611 all have Baruch in them, are these three not the Word? Don't you call them "the Bible"? The Apocrypha is in the Bible. It was part of the Word in 1611, it was only later that they removed it. Just because someone diminishes from the Word, it doesn't cease to be the Word. That is why God still preserved it, and I can still quote it, and you can still read it.
When it comes to the Bible's record of what Jesus did, one "witness" is enough... for that witness is God Himself.
Jesus didn't say He ate fish, the author of Mark says he ate fish, the author of Mark is not Jesus. One witness of men will not rise against a man on account of any iniquity.
 
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Give five examples

1. The serpent named Satan and Devil when he twistedly and tormentedly rent the Spirit into the Three Lies, the ultimate Unforgiveable Sin and blasphemy of the Breath of Life which God gave to all living creatures in order to create the demons. That alone is pretty bad and is all you need to know to figure out the animal is not just evil, but very damned and evil so much so that this is the Original Sin and the origin of sin itself.
2. Casting the Three Lies into the mind of Women.
3. Possessing the mind of Woman just to prey on the Man because he loved the Woman and trusted her.
4. Using the Woman to make Man, the image of God and God's most beloved creation to disobey God and die just to try to hurt God.
5. Basically, causing literally everything in Creation from Man to the Animals, to even think about himself, and the Creation in totality of itself to be cursed and fated to perish.
 

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1. The serpent named Satan and Devil when he twistedly and tormentedly rent the Spirit into the Three Lies, the ultimate Unforgiveable Sin and blasphemy of the Breath of Life which God gave to all living creatures in order to create the demons. That alone is pretty bad and is all you need to know to figure out the animal is not just evil, but very damned and evil so much so that this is the Original Sin and the origin of sin itself.
2. Casting the Three Lies into the mind of Women.
3. Possessing the mind of Woman just to prey on the Man because he loved the Woman and trusted her.
4. Using the Woman to make Man, the image of God and God's most beloved creation to disobey God and die just to try to hurt God.
5. Basically, causing literally everything in Creation from Man to the Animals, to even think about himself, and the Creation in totality of itself to be cursed and fated to perish.
You just gave examples of Satan being evil, not examples of animals being evil. Give five examples of animals being evil.
 

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So Daniel wouldn't defile himself with "vegetable" so he told the eunuch: "give us vegetables". I think it does say, you just don't want to see it. Because you have to abandon logic to defend your view.

Chapter and verse?

Yes it does, within 10 days of eating vegetables, the results are positive: "better and fatter in the flesh".

The Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate and the KJV 1611 all have Baruch in them, are these three not the Word? Don't you call them "the Bible"? The Apocrypha is in the Bible. It was part of the Word in 1611, it was only later that they removed it. Just because someone diminishes from the Word, it doesn't cease to be the Word. That is why God still preserved it, and I can still quote it, and you can still read it.

Jesus didn't say He ate fish, the author of Mark says he ate fish, the author of Mark is not Jesus. One witness of men will not rise against a man on account of any iniquity.
And this is what happens with people have no accountability when discussing scripture. You’re essentially making things up. I don’t know if this is simply schtick because you know controversial topics will get attention or if you really believe this ridiculousness. Either way its rooted in pure ignorance. God help anyone that takes you seriously.
 

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The first evil animal and the most evil of them, may he die soon by fire sent from the Father.
Okay, so you can’t support your statement that animals are evil. That and your favorite Scripture in your profile is very telling.
 

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(Regarding human need for 8 specific amino acids)
Chapter and verse?
Don't be ridiculous.

The Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate and the KJV 1611 all have Baruch in them, are these three not the Word? Don't you call them "the Bible"? The Apocrypha is in the Bible. It was part of the Word in 1611, it was only later that they removed it. Just because someone diminishes from the Word, it doesn't cease to be the Word. That is why God still preserved it, and I can still quote it, and you can still read it.
The Bible has 66 books and letters in it, and Baruch is not one of them. I don't disagree that there have been printings and translations of the Bible that included the Apocrypha, but they are not considered Scripture by Christians. Arguing the point isn't going to change the fact.

Jesus didn't say He ate fish, the author of Mark says he ate fish, the author of Mark is not Jesus. One witness of men will not rise against a man on account of any iniquity.
2 Timothy 3:16.
 

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yes, it is lawful to kill. it is not lawful to shed innocent blood. God Himself killed an animal to cover Adam and Eve. Or do you think the skin of the animal he took off like a coat and said "Here Adam I hope this fits"
 
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Okay, so you can’t support your statement that animals are evil. That and your favorite Scripture in your profile is very telling.
I gave you five examples of an animal being evil.

Every word of God is good.

This is totally off topic. Satan is not and never was merely an animal.
The Bible says he is, so therefore it is still on topic.
 
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