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When I first looked at this thread, I was impressed and interested to see some flat-earthers using Scripture, rather than just "common sense" to try to argue their position.
But now, when confronted by some here who have the time and energy to clearly refute (my view -
) these Scriptures and definitions, it seems that these flat-earthers are returning to vague and accusatory generalities: such as:
The most 'rigid' and 'inflexible' Christians - by far - are those who let cognitive dissonance prevent them from exercising proper discernment in the study of the scriptures.
But, if they ever learn to let go of the world for the sake of the truth - and study the scriptures without the blinders on - they will be amazed at what they discover when they let the scriptures speak to them unhindered.
You have to trust the Word more than you trust your world view. But instead you hold on to your traditions, and continue to find a way out of circle. So when the Word rebuked your world view, you had to resort to changing it's meaning, just so you could keep your world view and your traditions, because you couldn't take the rebuke.
If the Bible indeed clearly teaches flat-Earth - then keep at it and prove it as such from the Word!
But now, when confronted by some here who have the time and energy to clearly refute (my view -
) these Scriptures and definitions, it seems that these flat-earthers are returning to vague and accusatory generalities: such as:The most 'rigid' and 'inflexible' Christians - by far - are those who let cognitive dissonance prevent them from exercising proper discernment in the study of the scriptures.
But, if they ever learn to let go of the world for the sake of the truth - and study the scriptures without the blinders on - they will be amazed at what they discover when they let the scriptures speak to them unhindered.
You have to trust the Word more than you trust your world view. But instead you hold on to your traditions, and continue to find a way out of circle. So when the Word rebuked your world view, you had to resort to changing it's meaning, just so you could keep your world view and your traditions, because you couldn't take the rebuke.
If the Bible indeed clearly teaches flat-Earth - then keep at it and prove it as such from the Word!
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i appreciate your honest assessment
i am sorry that i really haven't had time
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in general a face of a geometric solid in N dimensions is an (N-1) dimensional body
for a pentagon in 2d, a 'face' is an edge delineating the boundary-surface of the shape.
for a dodecahedron, a 'face' is similarly a plane marking the boundary surface of the form.
likewise, for an 4-hypercube, the faces are 3d cubes.
i am fully aware that for almost everyone 3d Euclidean space is the only space they have ever thought of.
but i am a mathematician, and we're talking math.
we mathematicians do not think the same way when it comes to geometry.
IMO God is a mathematician - as i put earlier, but @DanielLL did not answer, does mankind create math or discover math?
my answer is that God creates math and man discovers it. which makes God, whose thoughts are infinite, a mathematician & the author of math -- justifying all this esoteric mathematics i am interjecting into the discussion.
the salient question being:
consider God, whose thoughts and ways are infinitely higher than our thoughts and ways ((Isaiah 55:8-9))
when He says circle does he mean circle according to our pitifully low & ignorant definition of circle?
or does infinite omniscient God mean 'circle' according to a definition higher than the highest definition our puny insignificant human minds can imagine?
my advice is always, whenever you have a choice, take the high view of God.
the worst that can happen ((as tho it is possible)) is that you gave God more glory than He deserved.
in general a face of a geometric solid in N dimensions is an (N-1) dimensional body
for a pentagon in 2d, a 'face' is an edge delineating the boundary-surface of the shape.
for a dodecahedron, a 'face' is similarly a plane marking the boundary surface of the form.
likewise, for an 4-hypercube, the faces are 3d cubes.
i am fully aware that for almost everyone 3d Euclidean space is the only space they have ever thought of.
but i am a mathematician, and we're talking math.
we mathematicians do not think the same way when it comes to geometry.
IMO God is a mathematician - as i put earlier, but @DanielLL did not answer, does mankind create math or discover math?
my answer is that God creates math and man discovers it. which makes God, whose thoughts are infinite, a mathematician & the author of math -- justifying all this esoteric mathematics i am interjecting into the discussion.
the salient question being:
consider God, whose thoughts and ways are infinitely higher than our thoughts and ways ((Isaiah 55:8-9))
when He says circle does he mean circle according to our pitifully low & ignorant definition of circle?
or does infinite omniscient God mean 'circle' according to a definition higher than the highest definition our puny insignificant human minds can imagine?
my advice is always, whenever you have a choice, take the high view of God.
the worst that can happen ((as tho it is possible)) is that you gave God more glory than He deserved.
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Here are a couple of articles discussing the soundwaves from the 1883 explosion of Krakatoa, the earlier claims the sound circled the globe 4x and the more recent claims 3x circling the globe before "petering out."
The Sound So Loud That It Circled the Earth Four Times
The Loudest Sound Ever Recorded
In this case, the circling enveloped all directions
The Sound So Loud That It Circled the Earth Four Times
The Loudest Sound Ever Recorded
In this case, the circling enveloped all directions
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Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Guys, can you answer or not?
What is the "face" of the deep? What context dino? What does it mean?
Guys, can you answer or not?
What is the "face" of the deep? What context dino? What does it mean?
The witness of God is greater.
But this proves flat earth. Because sound waves cannot circle around a sphere, sound waves are not affected by gravity neither do they change their trajectory, the sound waves traveled straight above the flat plane. Then they hit the firmament and bounce back.
But this proves flat earth. Because sound waves cannot circle around a sphere, sound waves are not affected by gravity neither do they change their trajectory, the sound waves traveled straight above the flat plane. Then they hit the firmament and bounce back.
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Welcome to CC…
You are trying to make a case based on a 400-year-old translation, using a modern understanding of the words. That’s subject to error. It is better to go to the original language to determine what the words meant in their original context.
I would also recommend using a modern translation. You quote Proverbs 3:5, but you need to abide by it as well.
You are trying to make a case based on a 400-year-old translation, using a modern understanding of the words. That’s subject to error. It is better to go to the original language to determine what the words meant in their original context.
I would also recommend using a modern translation. You quote Proverbs 3:5, but you need to abide by it as well.
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Ok, now the "deep", what is the deep? And what is it's surface?
Well, if you open a KJV right now, you can "verify for yourself" that "He drew a circle on the face of the deep". And this is exactly what I've been saying this whole time. Thing is they don't believe the Witness of God. Because if they did, this discussion would have been over by now.
Well, if you open a KJV right now, you can "verify for yourself" that "He drew a circle on the face of the deep". And this is exactly what I've been saying this whole time. Thing is they don't believe the Witness of God. Because if they did, this discussion would have been over by now.
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