Moral Courage or Foolishness? Ukraine.

I can see your point here. You distrust everyone. Fine with me.

Mogę sobie mówić, co chcę. Do Ciebie przecież i tak nie dociera a ja nie zamierzam udowadniać losowej osobie w internecie, że jestem Polakiem. Z resztą i tak pewnie zostanie to uznane za wykorzystanie tłumacza google więc tym mniej w tym sensu.

Question is why Soros and Biden say Putin must be stopped? If you asked me I'd say because of a conflict of interests but not on a moral ground (or in a smaller scale) but mostly because of financial interest.

It's OBVIOUS that the more countries are in NATO, the better for the USA and the worse for Russia. But does it mean we should accept Russia taking Ukraine by force to weaken the USA? That's ridiculous. No, that's preposterous because it means we gladly consent to leave helpless people be terrorized, starved to death and humiliated for not being obedient to Matuszka Rasija.

I'm not into politics, I'm into helping people and seeing how power-hunger is putin gives me even stronger will against his actions. I suggest you to stop seeing enemies everywhere - I may be a fairly fresh member of ChristianChat but I didn't join here because of the Russian agression - I joined because I wanted to meet other people of faith. Of course you'll probably call it a lie but I couldn't care less than right now knowing I cannot prove anything with my words only.

My father, in WW2, chose to help in the medical corp of the war but not to fight and kill. As the Body of Christ we are NOT part of Israel or the nations. They have a different purpose than us - earthly. We have a heavenly one. We do not belong to any nation but are pilgrims passing through. nations will continue to fight wars till the Lord comes and judges them.

All nations are self serving and not of God`s righteous ways.

The World System.

Christ does not battle with guns and tanks as man does, but reveals His righteous rulership through a body of believers who will stand against the enemy and his deceptions.

`For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places.` (Eph. 6: 12)

Principalities, Powers, rulers of the darkness and spiritual wickedness, are all in array against the Body of Christ. They operate through this present darkness of man separated from God and through the system man has formed in the world to promote man`s selfish desires and ambitions.

`This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing will be there.` (James 3: 15 & 15)



This World System is dominated by the prevalence of sin with its own methods, manners, customs, fashions and laws.

This System operates apart from God and offers position, possession and power, (authority) to those who serve its interests.

Thus mankind in rebellion against God and controlled by demonic influences, are in darkness. This is a darkness of their minds which is self - seeking and foolish.

`...although they (man) knew God they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.` (Rom. 1: 21)

So where are you from? Russia or Iran?

Putin is not in charge in the Ukraine situation. But how far should NATO go? We don't want WW3, but it may be inevitable at some point in history. Can we speed this along, or must it happen only in God's time? Should we be afraid of precipitating WW3, or being that it is in God's domain, should we just do the right thing regardless? No Fly zone? Active military participation in Ukraine. Secret military involvement?

Israel was a nation of God and called to fight in the land of Canaan and against pagan enemies.

A lot of Christians have been pacifists, particularly in times when the government is hopelessly corrupt or pagan. But Israel was a nation of God and called to fight in the land of Canaan and against pagan enemies. There have also been many Christian nations who fought just wars. I completely disagree with you.

War is man's business, not God's.

A difficult issue. Private Jackson quoting mostly King David in Psalms while in battle:

I found that to be both blasphemous and disgusting, but neither difficult nor entertaining. We know what our high calling is, and we know that shooting our fellow man is far-far from it.

We are not King David and we do not live in the OT. King David was forbidden to build. We are called to be builders.

Feel free to disagree with me. I'm ex military. I would not encourage anyone to take up arms. By all means get involved as a non combatant. It's only issue that I agree with JW's on.

My problem is if a Christian is shooting, his target could be another Christian. War is man's business, not God's. Our God is a God of peace. God's dealings with Israel in the OT were unique to Israel. His ways with Israel cannot be applied to the world system of today.

I spent a very long time mulling over this issue. I respect the point of view of those who differ.

Putin is not in charge in the Ukraine situation. But how far should NATO go? We don't want WW3, but it may be inevitable at some point in history. Can we speed this along, or must it happen only in God's time? Should we be afraid of precipitating WW3, or being that it is in God's domain, should we just do the right thing regardless? No Fly zone? Active military participation in Ukraine. Secret military involvement?

We are witnessing the beginning of Zechariah ch14

I think we've already been experiencing that for some time. Israel defends itself from the countries all around it--that's been happening since 1948!

But yes, the plot thickens. I have my own unique take on what's happening in Ukraine. I think the development of the Roman Imperial Tradition to a Federated States System has been happening for centuries now--it's part of modern evolution in politics.

Russia is the monolithic imperial structure attacking a brother independent State. I think Putin will lose this cause over the long run, because prophecy has dictated that the Feet of the Great Image in Dan 2 consist of 10 Toes, ie federated states, and not on monolithic set of Legs.

But when Antichrist comes he will re-united the old monolithic Imperial System until his demise at the Return of Christ.

I do consider it possible that after all this goes down, Russia may join in with the European Community. But Putin will have to go if this is to happen. When Europe unites as a whole, it will become an unimaginable power-house, particularly if it includes Russia and the US. Asian countries will be successfully marginalized.

This is, I think, the endtimes scenario, with Kings from the East going to Armageddon in Israel, where perhaps the Antichrist Confederation will be located. It's all speculative at this point.

Thank you for the update.
Zech 14 is clear that God is going to judge Israel thru the nations(as HE has done before) and HE will judge the nations at the same time.
Matt 24:32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

Well, not really an update, just an exercise in educated speculation. Such views for me are always open to correction, as more information comes in.