Are we in the end times ?

I noticed the inclination toward dispensationalism. Daniel 9:24-27 is a litmus test, the choice of words captures and reflects the translator's view. In NKJ, wherever Jesus is mentioned, even potential appearances in the form of an angel in the OT (such as the angel wrestling with Jacob), the first letter of his name is always capitalized, but in Daniel 9:27 it was in lower case, which implies that it's not Christ, but the Antichrist.

Knowing the who where and how of the NKJ i will not trust their interpretation.

Well I don’t have a choice, this NKJ is the only hardcover that I have, the greatest gift I’ve ever got, so I’m stuck with it. These minor details are not a problem as long as I take caution.

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[note Wm Kelly's Commentary per BibleHub... quoting below]

"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof. by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken, but till all be fulfilled. Now, He had introduced the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new generation, the generation to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark."



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[quoting Wm Kelly on your Matt24:34, taken from BibleHub]

""When its branch has now become tender and the leaves are shooting, ye know that summer is nigh; so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is nigh by the doors" (i.e., the end of this [/the] age, and the beginning of the next under Messiah and the new covenant). But solemnly the Saviour warns that "this generation," this Christ-rejecting race in Israel, shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled!

"The notion that all was fulfilled in the past siege of Jerusalem, founded on a narrow and unscriptural sense of this passage, is from not hearing what the Lord says to the disciples. By the term "generation" in a genealogy (as Matt. 1), or where the context requires it (as Luke 1:50), a life-time no doubt is meant: but where is it so used in the prophetic Scriptures - the Psalms, etc.? The meaning herein is moral rather than chronological; as, for instance, in Psalm 12:7, "Thou shalt keep them, O Lord; Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." The words "for ever" prove a prolonged force; and accordingly the passage intimates that Jehovah shall preserve the godly from their lawless oppressors, "from this generation for ever." It is a distinct and conclusive refutation of those who would limit the phrase to the short epoch of a man's lifetime. So, in Deuteronomy 32:5; Deu 32:20, we find generation similarly used, not to convey a period, but to express the moral characteristics of Israel. Again, in the Psalms we have "the generation to come," which is not confined to a mere term of thirty or a hundred years. So also in Proverbs 30:11-14: "There is a generation that curseth their father. . . There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes," etc., where the character of certain classes is considered; even plainer, if possible, is the usage in the synoptic Gospels. Thus, in Matthew 11:16, "Whereunto shall I liken this generation?" means such as then lived, characterized by the moral capriciousness which set them in opposition to God's testimony, whatever it might be, in righteousness or in grace. But evidently, though people then alive are primarily in view, the moral identity of the same features might extend indefinitely, and so from age to age it would still be "this generation." Compare Matthew 12:39; Mat 12:41-42; Mat 12:45, which last verse shows the unity of the "generation" in its final judgment (not yet exhausted) with that which emerged from the Babylonish captivity. Again, note chapter 23: 36, "Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation" - a generation which would continue till all the predictions of judgment that Christ uttered shall be fulfilled (chap. 24: 34). As it is plain from what has been already shown, that much remains to be accomplished, "this generation" still subsists, and will, till all is over. And how true it is! Here are the Jews - the wonder of every thoughtful mind - not merely a broken, scattered, and withal perpetuated race; not only distinct, spite of mighty effort from without to blot them out, and from within to amalgamate with others, but with the same unbelief, rejection and scorn of Jesus their Messiah as on the day He pronounced their sentence. All these things - speaking of their earlier and their latest sorrows - should come to pass before that wicked generation shall disappear. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." That which incredulity counts most stable, the scene of its idolatry or )f its self-exaltation, shall vanish; but the words of Christ, let them be about Israel or others, shall abide for ever."

[end quoting Wm Kelly; bold, underline and bracketed inserts mine; parentheses original]

Jesus used the expression "THIS generation" twenty times. He ALWAYS meant His contemporaries. What happened in THAT generation in which THOSE disciples lived? Jesus told THEM what would happen to THEM. WE are NOT the YE in the Olivet Discourse accounts (Mat. 24: Mark 13; Luke 21). Jesus said: "THIS generation will by no means pass away until ALL THESE THINGS take place." Those "all things" included His coming on the clouds of heaven (Parousia) and His mighty angels gathering His elect from the four winds (Resurrection and Judgment).

It is the SAME expression in Matthew 23 which most believers consider to be the lifetime of THOSE Jews He condemned and found guilty of "all the righteous blood shed on the earth." THEIR HOUSE (the Temple) would be left unto THEM desolate. The timing for Matthew 23 and Matthew 24 is the SAME.

Why do people strain at a gnat and swallow a camel concerning the meaning of THIS generation? It is because they cannot fit their paradigm into that time frame. They MUST manipulate the words to accommodate their wrong understanding of the nature of the Second Coming, the Resurrection, and the Judgment. The timing of Christ's return permeates the entire NT. It was SOON, AT HAND, ABOUT TO happen, SHORTLY to happen, NEAR. The timing determines the nature. We will never understand Scriptures if we refuse to place its events in their proper historical setting. The Second Coming was not to be visible and bodily. This is a false concept ascertained from a misunderstanding of Acts 1 and Revelation 1:7. The Resurrection was NOT physical bodies popping up out of the ground. It was the HOPE of ISRAEL--it is NOT the hope of the Church. The Jews feared SHEOL. Their hope was to be rescued from it. When Christ died and was buried, He went to Sheol/Hades, the destination of ALL men. By overcoming the prison of Hades, He brought resurrection to the "dead." He was the first fruits of that resurrection. The harvest was soon to follow in A.D. 70. When He came and emptied and destroyed Hades, then came about the saying, "Death is swallowed up in VICTORY." The Judgment is not some "end-of-time" event in which everyone who has ever lived stands simultaneously before God to be judged. Judgment was for OT Israel and her apostasy and her idolatry and her "guilt" for "all the righteous blood shed on the earth." The judgment also brought with it the end of the Old Covenant, Judaism, and the Mosaic Law. The judgment brought about the full expression of the New Covenant, the Church, the Bride, the Kingdom.

When a proper understanding of the NATURE of these things is acknowledged, ALL of the timing harmonizes! There is no need for twisting and manipulating and redefining. "This generation" is allowed to say what Jesus intended it to say--THOSE of HIS very generation!

So tell us then: did the abomination of desolation occurr in 70AD?
Hint: it didn't.

You ave another insurmountable problem: the multitude of prophecies pertaining to the restored fully redeemed nation Israel. Who is gifted a new heart whereby they should undertake their original mandate.

To assume that prophecy does not still project into our own future is foolishness.

^ Wonder what this means then: "And Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all the living." - Genesis 3:20

Not sure your question is understood.
Adam first named all the animals God created...from dirt.
Then God took a rib and created woman. Adam then named her ....Eve...mother of all living.

The poster / member posting just before mine doesn't believe that... per their Post #548 (hence my question in Post #549).

That poster believes Adam and Eve were not the ONLY people God created at the beginning, but many other couples / people also.

I'm going to guess that this poster holds to that view because they also hold to the idea that the Garden of Eden (chpt 2) was a sort of "cosmic temple"... that the "very good" creation (chpt 1--which the poster believes includes lots of ppl having been created) needed. (And Adam was to "dress" it and "keep" it... v.2:15)




This is why I'm asking, how could Adam have thought to name her Eve "because she would be the mother of all the living" (if other ppl were producing/bearing children ALSO, per that viewpoint) ?

Make sense?
Thanks for your comment. = )

Yes.
At one time I had the same type question......point of questioning incest........that God may have created more but, only addressed and mentioned Adam and Eve as example.
Eve is the designated name listed so I don't see a problem with that...unless one can find that interpreters went wrong.

Are you leaving the door open for Lilith to sneak in? The first feminist figure who was supposedly created at the same time with Adam? Then ran out of Eden without any temptation from Satan in rebellion against "toxic musculinity" and "oppressive patriarchy"?

Scripture references?

No reference for that one, this was a talmudic legend. That's why I'm asking you.

The apostle Paul writes of perilous times.

2Ti_3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Paul describes what men will be like in these times from verse 2 to verse 7.


Are there any so called "signs of the times"

I am afraid not.

1Th_5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

We are in the dispensation of the grace of God right now.

Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Col_1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

God has dispensed his grace given to Paul our apostle by Jesus Christ.
Have you noticed in that verse above Paul has fulfilled the word of God.
Which means God has said all that he is going to say, through Paul our apostle.

2Ti 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Paul writes consider what I say, but when you think about that statement ,he got everything from the risen Christ, even visions and revelations in an abundance.

2Co_12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Paul had an office given to him by God, he had received the gospel also by Christ to give to us.

Rom_11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Paul was on the wrong road in life, he said he did it in ignorance and unbelief, until the Lord called him by grace, he had come to trust in what Christ had done for us by believing the gospel of Christ.

Paul new whom he had come to believe in with many more after Paul who would gladly lay down their lives for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Have you come to see the light of the gospel given to Paul ?

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I know that it won't be long before I won't be able to buy or sell without a number. Unless something happens to delay it. But since it appears that the powers-that-be have us by the short and curlies, I wouldn't put any cash on it!