Are we in the end times ?
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Jesus used the expression "THIS generation" twenty times. He ALWAYS meant His contemporaries. What happened in THAT generation in which THOSE disciples lived? Jesus told THEM what would happen to THEM. WE are NOT the YE in the Olivet Discourse accounts (Mat. 24: Mark 13; Luke 21). Jesus said: "THIS generation will by no means pass away until ALL THESE THINGS take place." Those "all things" included His coming on the clouds of heaven (Parousia) and His mighty angels gathering His elect from the four winds (Resurrection and Judgment).
It is the SAME expression in Matthew 23 which most believers consider to be the lifetime of THOSE Jews He condemned and found guilty of "all the righteous blood shed on the earth." THEIR HOUSE (the Temple) would be left unto THEM desolate. The timing for Matthew 23 and Matthew 24 is the SAME.
Why do people strain at a gnat and swallow a camel concerning the meaning of THIS generation? It is because they cannot fit their paradigm into that time frame. They MUST manipulate the words to accommodate their wrong understanding of the nature of the Second Coming, the Resurrection, and the Judgment. The timing of Christ's return permeates the entire NT. It was SOON, AT HAND, ABOUT TO happen, SHORTLY to happen, NEAR. The timing determines the nature. We will never understand Scriptures if we refuse to place its events in their proper historical setting. The Second Coming was not to be visible and bodily. This is a false concept ascertained from a misunderstanding of Acts 1 and Revelation 1:7. The Resurrection was NOT physical bodies popping up out of the ground. It was the HOPE of ISRAEL--it is NOT the hope of the Church. The Jews feared SHEOL. Their hope was to be rescued from it. When Christ died and was buried, He went to Sheol/Hades, the destination of ALL men. By overcoming the prison of Hades, He brought resurrection to the "dead." He was the first fruits of that resurrection. The harvest was soon to follow in A.D. 70. When He came and emptied and destroyed Hades, then came about the saying, "Death is swallowed up in VICTORY." The Judgment is not some "end-of-time" event in which everyone who has ever lived stands simultaneously before God to be judged. Judgment was for OT Israel and her apostasy and her idolatry and her "guilt" for "all the righteous blood shed on the earth." The judgment also brought with it the end of the Old Covenant, Judaism, and the Mosaic Law. The judgment brought about the full expression of the New Covenant, the Church, the Bride, the Kingdom.
When a proper understanding of the NATURE of these things is acknowledged, ALL of the timing harmonizes! There is no need for twisting and manipulating and redefining. "This generation" is allowed to say what Jesus intended it to say--THOSE of HIS very generation!
It is the SAME expression in Matthew 23 which most believers consider to be the lifetime of THOSE Jews He condemned and found guilty of "all the righteous blood shed on the earth." THEIR HOUSE (the Temple) would be left unto THEM desolate. The timing for Matthew 23 and Matthew 24 is the SAME.
Why do people strain at a gnat and swallow a camel concerning the meaning of THIS generation? It is because they cannot fit their paradigm into that time frame. They MUST manipulate the words to accommodate their wrong understanding of the nature of the Second Coming, the Resurrection, and the Judgment. The timing of Christ's return permeates the entire NT. It was SOON, AT HAND, ABOUT TO happen, SHORTLY to happen, NEAR. The timing determines the nature. We will never understand Scriptures if we refuse to place its events in their proper historical setting. The Second Coming was not to be visible and bodily. This is a false concept ascertained from a misunderstanding of Acts 1 and Revelation 1:7. The Resurrection was NOT physical bodies popping up out of the ground. It was the HOPE of ISRAEL--it is NOT the hope of the Church. The Jews feared SHEOL. Their hope was to be rescued from it. When Christ died and was buried, He went to Sheol/Hades, the destination of ALL men. By overcoming the prison of Hades, He brought resurrection to the "dead." He was the first fruits of that resurrection. The harvest was soon to follow in A.D. 70. When He came and emptied and destroyed Hades, then came about the saying, "Death is swallowed up in VICTORY." The Judgment is not some "end-of-time" event in which everyone who has ever lived stands simultaneously before God to be judged. Judgment was for OT Israel and her apostasy and her idolatry and her "guilt" for "all the righteous blood shed on the earth." The judgment also brought with it the end of the Old Covenant, Judaism, and the Mosaic Law. The judgment brought about the full expression of the New Covenant, the Church, the Bride, the Kingdom.
When a proper understanding of the NATURE of these things is acknowledged, ALL of the timing harmonizes! There is no need for twisting and manipulating and redefining. "This generation" is allowed to say what Jesus intended it to say--THOSE of HIS very generation!
Jesus was talking about the Israelites. I mean its obvious but a lot of people want to take it to mean themselves, sometimes they talk about end times as if they are going to die very soon, and I suppose in a way its a personal 'end time'.
But what may be an end time for you may just be the beginning for someone else. People are all born at different times.
But what may be an end time for you may just be the beginning for someone else. People are all born at different times.
So tell us then: did the abomination of desolation occurr in 70AD?
Hint: it didn't.
You ave another insurmountable problem: the multitude of prophecies pertaining to the restored fully redeemed nation Israel. Who is gifted a new heart whereby they should undertake their original mandate.
To assume that prophecy does not still project into our own future is foolishness.
Hint: it didn't.
You ave another insurmountable problem: the multitude of prophecies pertaining to the restored fully redeemed nation Israel. Who is gifted a new heart whereby they should undertake their original mandate.
To assume that prophecy does not still project into our own future is foolishness.
With the understanding Genesis one is the telling of the creation of the world, and Genesis two is the telling of the creation of the Garden of Eden, we can give a our distractors, the non believers, a creation story which better aligns with our Holy Creator. It sickens me..This "Christian" theory which seems to claim we came from an incestuous beginning. If we all came from Adam and Eve, alone, the only explanation which can be derived...is incest. I don't know who came up with this story, but I can guarantee, he was not led by Gods Holy Spirit. This is what happens when men become Great in the eyes of men, men like Matthew Henry and that lot.
With this knowledge, we can unashamedly explain Cains wife came from the those created in Genesis one, and this is also where all of Adams Sons, wives came from, those called the Sons of God. But don't take my word for it...The Bible clearly says it...
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair; and they took for themselves wives of all whom they chose.
(Genesis 6:1-2)
With this knowledge, we can unashamedly explain Cains wife came from the those created in Genesis one, and this is also where all of Adams Sons, wives came from, those called the Sons of God. But don't take my word for it...The Bible clearly says it...
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair; and they took for themselves wives of all whom they chose.
(Genesis 6:1-2)
The poster / member posting just before mine doesn't believe that... per their Post #548 (hence my question in Post #549).
That poster believes Adam and Eve were not the ONLY people God created at the beginning, but many other couples / people also.
I'm going to guess that this poster holds to that view because they also hold to the idea that the Garden of Eden (chpt 2) was a sort of "cosmic temple"... that the "very good" creation (chpt 1--which the poster believes includes lots of ppl having been created) needed. (And Adam was to "dress" it and "keep" it... v.2:15)
This is why I'm asking, how could Adam have thought to name her Eve "because she would be the mother of all the living" (if other ppl were producing/bearing children ALSO, per that viewpoint) ?
Make sense?
Thanks for your comment. = )
That poster believes Adam and Eve were not the ONLY people God created at the beginning, but many other couples / people also.
I'm going to guess that this poster holds to that view because they also hold to the idea that the Garden of Eden (chpt 2) was a sort of "cosmic temple"... that the "very good" creation (chpt 1--which the poster believes includes lots of ppl having been created) needed. (And Adam was to "dress" it and "keep" it... v.2:15)
This is why I'm asking, how could Adam have thought to name her Eve "because she would be the mother of all the living" (if other ppl were producing/bearing children ALSO, per that viewpoint) ?
Make sense?
Thanks for your comment. = )
The poster / member posting just before mine doesn't believe that... per their Post #548 (hence my question in Post #549).
That poster believes Adam and Eve were not the ONLY people God created at the beginning, but many other couples / people also.
I'm going to guess that this poster holds to that view because they also hold to the idea that the Garden of Eden (chpt 2) was a sort of "cosmic temple"... that the "very good" creation (chpt 1--which the poster believes includes lots of ppl having been created) needed. (And Adam was to "dress" it and "keep" it... v.2:15)
This is why I'm asking, how could Adam have thought to name her Eve "because she would be the mother of all the living" (if other ppl were producing/bearing children ALSO, per that viewpoint) ?
Make sense?
Thanks for your comment. = )
That poster believes Adam and Eve were not the ONLY people God created at the beginning, but many other couples / people also.
I'm going to guess that this poster holds to that view because they also hold to the idea that the Garden of Eden (chpt 2) was a sort of "cosmic temple"... that the "very good" creation (chpt 1--which the poster believes includes lots of ppl having been created) needed. (And Adam was to "dress" it and "keep" it... v.2:15)
This is why I'm asking, how could Adam have thought to name her Eve "because she would be the mother of all the living" (if other ppl were producing/bearing children ALSO, per that viewpoint) ?
Make sense?
Thanks for your comment. = )
At one time I had the same type question......point of questioning incest........that God may have created more but, only addressed and mentioned Adam and Eve as example.
Eve is the designated name listed so I don't see a problem with that...unless one can find that interpreters went wrong.
Luke 21:29-33
29 eThen He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 fHeaven and earth will pass away, but My gwords will by no means pass away.
Just my opinion but all the signs point to we are in the beginings of tribulation,or it has already started. I say it has begun 4-11-22
29 eThen He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 fHeaven and earth will pass away, but My gwords will by no means pass away.
Just my opinion but all the signs point to we are in the beginings of tribulation,or it has already started. I say it has begun 4-11-22