After water Baptism
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I think that you were reading me incorrectly. I didn't think that you and DT were shredding any beef between you. In fact, I LOVED the conversation back and forth. I thought that both of what you were saying was rather insightful and informative. Further still, I enjoyed reading of things that were beyond my scope of study. And greater still, I was about to comment on how I enjoyed the dialog between you two, but opted not to do so as I thought it might sound a bit corny. The way you have written to each other back and forth is exactly how I'd like to see us all conduct ourselves.
So . . . THANK YOU!
So . . . THANK YOU!
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I think that you were reading me incorrectly. I didn't think that you and DT were shredding any beef between you. In fact, I LOVED the conversation back and forth. I thought that both of what you were saying was rather insightful and informative. Further still, I enjoyed reading of things that were beyond my scope of study. And greater still, I was about to comment on how I enjoyed the dialog between you two, but opted not to do so as I thought it might sound a bit corny. The way you have written to each other back and forth is exactly how I'd like to see us all conduct ourselves.
So . . . THANK YOU!
So . . . THANK YOU!
but yes I agree we should freely speak and also not insult others who don’t agree but always keep
An open mind
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I know that Acts 20:7 shows that Paul/early believers took a weekly communion. And some suggest a daily dedication based on Acts 2:42. I've been taking a personal daily communion and it has been a true blessing in my walk...
But out of curiosity, does anyone know of any scriptural evidence to support or deny a personal baptism?
But out of curiosity, does anyone know of any scriptural evidence to support or deny a personal baptism?
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It’s symbolic …Jesus made that clear in Acts
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
But is not in addition to ….it is a contrasting conjunction
It’s a feel good thing for the person receiving it ….If people want to do it, that’s up to them …But it is as relevant to salvation as dialing and extra digit at the end of a 10 digit phone number.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
But is not in addition to ….it is a contrasting conjunction
It’s a feel good thing for the person receiving it ….If people want to do it, that’s up to them …But it is as relevant to salvation as dialing and extra digit at the end of a 10 digit phone number.
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i have been water baptized (complete immersion) in Christ. This occurred AFTER i was SAVED by CHRIST.
The Bible does not teach it is "essential" for Salvation = meaning that you cannot be saved without it.
The LORD made water baptism a 'one time - do it and done' outward act of faith in His word given to the Apostles and us.
Myself and millions of Blood Washed Born-Again Saints were COMPLETELY SAVED by the Blood of the LAMB before we were water baptized.
Billions more have been water baptized in Christ's name and are in Hell because it cannot save you apart from the Blood, Faith and the Spirit.
The Bible does not teach it is "essential" for Salvation = meaning that you cannot be saved without it.
The LORD made water baptism a 'one time - do it and done' outward act of faith in His word given to the Apostles and us.
Myself and millions of Blood Washed Born-Again Saints were COMPLETELY SAVED by the Blood of the LAMB before we were water baptized.
Billions more have been water baptized in Christ's name and are in Hell because it cannot save you apart from the Blood, Faith and the Spirit.
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Look Brother - your point was well spoken and previously recorded.
I am afraid of all my sufferings;
I know that You will not hold me innocent.
If I am condemned,
Why then do I labor in vain?
If I wash myself with snow water,
And cleanse my hands with soap,
Yet You will plunge me into the pit,
And my own clothes will abhor me.
“For He is not a man, as I am,
That I may answer Him,
And that we should go to court together.
Nor is there any mediator between us,
Who may lay his hand on us both.
Let Him take His rod away from me,
And do not let dread of Him terrify me.
Then I would speak and not fear Him,
But it is not so with me.
The purest of pure snow melt water cannot save anyone.
Only a Mediator between the FATHER and man = the Eternal Son who washed us in His Blood.
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. -Revelation ch1
No mention of water baptism in Heaven = only the BLOOD of the LAMB
I am afraid of all my sufferings;
I know that You will not hold me innocent.
If I am condemned,
Why then do I labor in vain?
If I wash myself with snow water,
And cleanse my hands with soap,
Yet You will plunge me into the pit,
And my own clothes will abhor me.
“For He is not a man, as I am,
That I may answer Him,
And that we should go to court together.
Nor is there any mediator between us,
Who may lay his hand on us both.
Let Him take His rod away from me,
And do not let dread of Him terrify me.
Then I would speak and not fear Him,
But it is not so with me.
The purest of pure snow melt water cannot save anyone.
Only a Mediator between the FATHER and man = the Eternal Son who washed us in His Blood.
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. -Revelation ch1
No mention of water baptism in Heaven = only the BLOOD of the LAMB
[QUOTE="2ndTimothyGroup, post: 4827957,] Score! What an amazing find. Then again, I'm not surprised that [you] found this. [/QUOTE]
In Job's day - Snow water was from Heaven = It was pure white (sinless) it never came from springs or ground water but descended from Heaven and Rested on the Mountain Peaks where 'God was' and man could not climb high enough to reach.
So Job is really saying the Truth = that even the purest snow fall melt water from the the highest earthbound mountain peaks (of God) could not cleanse us from our sins.
Because water baptism is purely symbolic, it is not mentioned in the Revelation of Jesus our Savior, which is our LOOK into HEAVEN.
His Blood and Faith in Him is mentioned as the only Way Home.
Thank You Brother for your insight as well - which is how we first met - amen.
[/QUOTE]In Job's day - Snow water was from Heaven = It was pure white (sinless) it never came from springs or ground water but descended from Heaven and Rested on the Mountain Peaks where 'God was' and man could not climb high enough to reach.
So Job is really saying the Truth = that even the purest snow fall melt water from the the highest earthbound mountain peaks (of God) could not cleanse us from our sins.
Because water baptism is purely symbolic, it is not mentioned in the Revelation of Jesus our Savior, which is our LOOK into HEAVEN.
His Blood and Faith in Him is mentioned as the only Way Home.
Thank You Brother for your insight as well - which is how we first met - amen.
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[QUOTE="2ndTimothyGroup, post: 4827957,] Score! What an amazing find. Then again, I'm not surprised that [you] found this.
So Job is really saying the Truth = that even the purest snow fall melt water from the the highest earthbound mountain peaks (of God) could not cleanse us from our sins.
Because water baptism is purely symbolic, it is not mentioned in the Revelation of Jesus our Savior, which is our LOOK into HEAVEN.
Thank You Brother for your insight as well - which is how we first met - amen.[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'm just thankful that you know more than I do. It's good to have someone to turn to with Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom that I do not have.
I also like the below verse, as it shows that there is nothing that we can do to save ourselves from corruption, including gathering water so as to be Purified:
[Eze 7:13 ESV] "For the seller shall not return to what he has sold, while they live. For the vision concerns all their multitude; it shall not turn back; and because of his iniquity, none can maintain his life."
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this passage, as the first part doesn't seem to relate to the point that I'm making . . . so I'm open to interpretation. It is, however, most compelling. Other translations state this verse in amazing ways.
Hey, I'm just thankful that you know more than I do. It's good to have someone to turn to with Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom that I do not have.
I also like the below verse, as it shows that there is nothing that we can do to save ourselves from corruption, including gathering water so as to be Purified:
[Eze 7:13 ESV] "For the seller shall not return to what he has sold, while they live. For the vision concerns all their multitude; it shall not turn back; and because of his iniquity, none can maintain his life."
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this passage, as the first part doesn't seem to relate to the point that I'm making . . . so I'm open to interpretation. It is, however, most compelling. Other translations state this verse in amazing ways.[/QUOTE]
My son requested i take him fishing now - so i will look at this tonight/tomorrow - thank you.
I also like the below verse, as it shows that there is nothing that we can do to save ourselves from corruption, including gathering water so as to be Purified:
[Eze 7:13 ESV] "For the seller shall not return to what he has sold, while they live. For the vision concerns all their multitude; it shall not turn back; and because of his iniquity, none can maintain his life."
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this passage, as the first part doesn't seem to relate to the point that I'm making . . . so I'm open to interpretation. It is, however, most compelling. Other translations state this verse in amazing ways.[/QUOTE]
My son requested i take him fishing now - so i will look at this tonight/tomorrow - thank you.
13 Indeed, the seller will not regain what he sold as long as they both live; for the vision regarding all their multitude will not be averted, nor will any of them maintain his life by his wrongdoing. (Eze 7:13 NASB)
I don't know if this translation adds anything to understanding or not. But together as a whole, I think Eze. chapter 7 is a warning of the inescapable Judgment Day (Day of the Lord) that they and all the nation/multitude will have to face. From my understanding, the feud here between Jacob/Esau, Israel/Edom, or Jew/Arab is irrelevant to the penalty of their sin (at that time the nations will be worshiping Satan himself).
Side note: Esau sold his birthright to Jacob and wanted it back but there was no blessing for him. Likewise, Israel was left desolate (w/out God's blessing) from AD 70 - 1948 when it was under Arab occupation.
Esau married into the family of Ismael and today would be part of the Arab State of Jordan near the Dead Sea.
I don't know if this translation adds anything to understanding or not. But together as a whole, I think Eze. chapter 7 is a warning of the inescapable Judgment Day (Day of the Lord) that they and all the nation/multitude will have to face. From my understanding, the feud here between Jacob/Esau, Israel/Edom, or Jew/Arab is irrelevant to the penalty of their sin (at that time the nations will be worshiping Satan himself).
Side note: Esau sold his birthright to Jacob and wanted it back but there was no blessing for him. Likewise, Israel was left desolate (w/out God's blessing) from AD 70 - 1948 when it was under Arab occupation.
Esau married into the family of Ismael and today would be part of the Arab State of Jordan near the Dead Sea.
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the earthbound nation Israel is still desolate concerning Salvation/Eternal Life
YAHshuah said: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say,
‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic.
For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
but the Jerusalem above is Free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written
YAHshuah said: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say,
‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic.
For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
but the Jerusalem above is Free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written
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