DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

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Sudakar

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posthuman said:
Psalm 58:3 describes even before birth
Romans 3:10 applies that to everyone. including you. including me.

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Adam and Eve were unclothed in God's most holy presence & so seen through the knowledge of good and evil they were wicked! You again confuse between actions & choosing the forbidden moral law.
 
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Sudakar said:
Adam and Eve were unclothed in God's most holy presence . . . & so . . . they were wicked
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God created them this way and called it very good ((Genesis 2:25, Genesis 1:31))

so you are saying God is evil.

woe to you!
 
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Sudakar said:
the forbidden moral
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God forbid eating from a certain tree.
if God forbid moral choice they had no basis to either obey or disobey Him -- obedience and disobedience is a moral paradigm.

IMO you have no idea what you're talking about.
IMO you just really fancy the thought of being wise, but you aren't willing to put in the effort to gain wisdom.
IMO you aren't willing to fear God.

again, JMO based on your conversation.
 
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  1. absolutely, categorically false. Genesis 2:23
  2. so why does God give Adam & his wife salvation, but you call that a curse?
    1. your statement is absolutely, categorically false
  3. absolutely, categorically false. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 3:21-22, Romans 5:14, 1 John 3:2

you ain't doing much here but digging your own grave, friend.
take a word of advice from someone who already died: shutup, and instead; listen.
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1) In Gen2, she only had a common name 'woman'.

2) Clothing with skins is not salvation. It is a prophecy of Jesus coming 4000 years later to die & save them from the kge. Don't confuse between a prophecy & salvation.

3) If Adam was 'as God' earlier, why would God say 'Behold, the man is become as one of us'. Why should Adam 'BECOME AS GOD'?

You are already in your ideological grave! 😂🤣😂!
 
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posthuman said:
God forbid eating from a certain tree.
if God forbid moral choice they had no basis to either obey or disobey Him -- obedience and disobedience is a moral paradigm.

IMO you have no idea what you're talking about.
IMO you just really fancy the thought of being wise, but you aren't willing to put in the effort to gain wisdom.
IMO you aren't willing to fear God.

again, JMO based on your conversation.
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1) You think fruit produces guilt. You are absolutely wrong. No fruit produces life or guilt!

2) They were expected to obey by refusing the moral knowledge/law because they were supposed to live by faith & not navigate by their moral compass.

3) Jesus 'is' wisdom. Repent! (1Corinthians 1: 30: "Jesus of God is made unto us wisdom").
 
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posthuman said:
God created them this way and called it very good ((Genesis 2:25, Genesis 1:31))

so you are saying God is evil.

woe to you!
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1) It is good not only for them to be unclothed but to also live by faith & not by a moral compass.

2) I say God is good to have delivered us from moral seeing through faith in Christ's sacrifice!

3) I am perfectly blessed in Jesus. You are under death as per Genesis 2:17.
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posthuman said:
God said don't eat of the tree.

God did not say "don't have any concept of morality"
God did not say "wear clothes"
God did not say "don't wear clothes"
God did not say "have no knowledge of whether you are clothed or not"
God did not say "do not understand the difference between good & evil"

and God did not say "cursed are you Adam" nor did He say "Cursed are you, Woman"

Satan is the one who claimed knowledge and wisdom would come from eating the tree (((sin))
God said of Adam & Adam alone that he had this knowledge, only, and only after he changed his wife's name.
why did Adam change his wife's name? hmm?


JMO but you do not have sound theology, and you do not have sound understanding of Genesis 2-4.
please go back and read everything i have written in this thread again.
you can easily do this by hitting the search button, choosing 'this thread' and 'by member' options.
as far as i can tell, you have no idea what you are talking about & also no idea what i am talking about.
this should be rectified, and it is a pressing issue before anything else can be discussed.
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Are you seeking to be justified before God by fulfilling the moral law?

Galatians 2:16: "for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified". Your lack of understanding of this is your foundational problem! 😂🤣😂🤣
 
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Sudakar said:
1) In Gen2, she only had a common name 'woman'.
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categorically, absolutely false.

there is no such thing as 'common name' in Genesis 1, she is the second human being, ever.
Genesis 2:23 specifically describes Adam, who names every single living soul, declaring the name of his wife.


you do not seem to be able to accept instruction.
i told you to shutup, and to listen, and to go back and read what i've been trying to explain to you.
i explained that you do not have any idea what you are saying.

please try again
maybe i'll talk to you later.
 
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Magenta said:
You seem to be incapable of getting it through your head that Scripture says nothing at all about all human beings being born believing in Jesus Christ. There is no verse, zero, zip, nada, stating that all babies have faith in Jesus. Matthew 18:6 says nothing about all babies believing in Jesus Christ. I am not sure what you mean in asking where do dying babies go. I suppose you are going to make some more erroneous assumptions about this, too, and more false accusations, since it is your modus operandi.
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You think you are capable. I think Christ is capable in me.

But yet you haven't quoted a single verse to prove your theory babies are born without faith in Jesus & with the knowledge of good and evil!

You seem to think God made a mistake by creating babies without faith in Jesus!
 
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posthuman said:
categorically, absolutely false.

there is no such thing as 'common name' in Genesis 1, she is the second human being, ever.
Genesis 2:23 specifically describes Adam, who names every single living soul, declaring the name of his wife.


you do not seem to be able to accept instruction.
i told you to shutup, and to listen, and to go back and read what i've been trying to explain to you.
i explained that you do not have any idea what you are saying.

please try again
maybe i'll talk to you later.
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Your faulty interpretation stems from your erroneous thinking you are justified before God by fulfilling the moral law!
 
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Oblio said:
Oh, brother! It looks like 2 turnips fell off of the truck. Should I assume that turnips are Satanic too? I didn't say, nor did I mean, that wearing clothes was legalistic. Do you know what Gnosticism is? He says that we're carrying around the knowledge of good and evil in our hearts and that we must stop doing that...or something like that. He can't do it himself...according to the word of God.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9
FYI - I'm a born-again, Spirit-filled, tongue-talking Christian, and I've been one for longer than you have. You should use a little more discernment before you start throwing such serious charges around. Shalom!
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Go ahead an run around naked and see what God thinks about that. Have you ever heard of Hell fire?
 
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"ain't no wrong then there ain't no right" ​
- some guy, once​
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So you seem to admit you believe you seek to be justified before God by fulfilling the moral law!

So you are not justified according to the scriptures!
 
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Duckybill said:
No "moral law" in the Bible.
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If there is no moral law in the Bible, why are you obsessed with clothing? Are you justified before God by your goodworks or by faith in Christ's goodworks?
 
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Sudakar said:
So you seem to admit you believe you seek to be justified before God by fulfilling the moral law!
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please see previous discussion:

posthuman said:
here is Christ:

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
(Genesis 3:21)

the man and the woman confessed their sin ((vv 12-13))
God did not curse them - He clothed them, covering them with the shed blood of an innocent lamb
He accepted their repentance and their faith
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posthuman said:
God says of Adam he knows good from evil when Adam hears and believes the promise and acts on his faith in God, not when he eats of the tree.
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if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise
(Galatians 3:18)

we have been justified through faith
(Romans 5:1)

the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification
(Romans 5:16)

The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
(Genesis 3:21)



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