Who and/or what attacked Job and his family?

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ewq1938

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None of this rises to the level of cursing God.

It is cursing God.

OT:1288
barak (baw-rak'); a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit); also (by euphemism) to curse (God or the king, as treason):


Lexicon:

"It is properly used of persons, and is transferred to curses and impious words against God." This specific definition for the word in question is found in Job 1:5, 1:11 and Job 2:5.



Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

So what Satan literally said was:

"he will speak impious words against you"


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im•pi•ous (im'pe-?s, im-pi'-) Pronunciation Key
adj.
1. Lacking reverence; not pious.
2. Lacking due respect or dutifulness: impious toward one's parents.



In today's terms it would mean Job spoke in disrespect to God, and about God.
 
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It is cursing God.

OT:1288
barak (baw-rak'); a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit); also (by euphemism) to curse (God or the king, as treason):


Lexicon:

"It is properly used of persons, and is transferred to curses and impious words against God." This specific definition for the word in question is found in Job 1:5, 1:11 and Job 2:5.



Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

So what Satan literally said was:

"he will speak impious words against you"


American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
im•pi•ous (im'pe-?s, im-pi'-) Pronunciation Key
adj.
1. Lacking reverence; not pious.
2. Lacking due respect or dutifulness: impious toward one's parents.



In today's terms it would mean Job spoke in disrespect to God, and about God.
Dear Brother, i car every much about you so please listen to what the LORD said of Job AFTER Job's complaining.

After the LORD had spoken these words to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and your two friends. For you have not spoken about Me accurately, as My servant Job has. So now, take seven bulls and seven rams,
go to My servant Job, and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves.
Then My servant Job will pray for you, for I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly.
For you have not spoken accurately about Me, as My servant Job has.
Job 42:7-8

Dear Brother do not make the mistake of Job's friends.
 

ewq1938

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Dear Brother, i car every much about you so please listen to what the LORD said of Job AFTER Job's complaining.

That isn't regarding all terrible stuff he said about God. Don't defend these things:


Job 9:18 He will not suffer me to take my breath, but filleth me with bitterness.
Job 9:19 If I speak of strength, lo, he is strong: and if of judgment, who shall set me a time to plead?
Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.
Job 9:21 Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.


More accusations against God.




Job 9:22 This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroyeth the perfect and the wicked.

“God destroys the innocent along with the guilty.”

Job 9:23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.
Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

“When a good person dies a accidental death, God sits back and laughs during the trial.
And who else but God blindfolds the judges, then lets the wicked take over the earth?“


WOAH! Verse 23 is quite a statement by Job! That if a man should die accidentally while being punished, that God would laugh at the trial of an innocent man. This means that Job feels God is unjust and cruel!



Job 9:25 Now my days are swifter than a post: they flee away, they see no good.
Job 9:26 They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hasteth to the prey.
Job 9:27 If I say, I will forget my complaint, I will leave off my heaviness, and comfort myself:
Job 9:28 I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent.
Job 9:29 If I be wicked, why then labour I in vain?
Job 9:30 If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;
Job 9:31 Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me.


More accusations against God.


Job 9:32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
Job 9:33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
Job 9:34 Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me:
Job 9:35 Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me.

More accusations against God.


Job 10:1 My soul is weary of my life; I will leave my complaint upon myself; I will speak in the bitterness of my soul.


Again, he repeats his statement in chapter 7. He will not be silent about how he feels about what he thinks God is doing to him.


Job 10:2 I will say unto God, Do not condemn me; shew me wherefore thou contendest with me.
Job 10:3 Is it good unto thee that thou shouldest oppress, that thou shouldest despise the work of thine hands, and shine upon the counsel of the wicked?


“Why do you, God, take such delight in hating your children, and in blessing sinners?”



Job 10:4 Hast thou eyes of flesh? or seest thou as man seeth?
Job 10:5 Are thy days as the days of man? are thy years as man's days,
Job 10:6 That thou enquirest after mine iniquity, and searchest after my sin?


“Do you look at things the way we humans do? Is your life as short as ours? Is that why you are so quick to find fault with me?”



Ouch! Job is really digging himself a deep hole. Here he actually questions Gods right to judge man because God is not flesh and it’s implied that therefore God can’t understand what its like to live in the flesh. Yet, God can understand us, and could even before Christ was born in the flesh. God has the right to judge flesh man, and always has.



Job 10:7 Thou knowest that I am not wicked; and there is none that can deliver out of thine hand.
Job 10:8 Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet thou dost destroy me.

"You know I am innocent, but who can defend me against you? Will you now destroy someone you created?"


Job 10:9 Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?
Job 10:10 Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese?
Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.
Job 10:12 Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit.
Job 10:13 And these things hast thou hid in thine heart: I know that this is with thee.
Job 10:14 If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.
Job 10:15 If I be wicked, woe unto me; and if I be righteous, yet will I not lift up my head. I am full of confusion; therefore see thou mine affliction;



Job 10:16 For it increaseth. Thou huntest me as a fierce lion: and again thou shewest thyself marvellous upon me.
Job 10:17 Thou renewest thy witnesses against me, and increasest thine indignation upon me; changes and war are against me.


“No matter how hard I try, you keep hunting me down like a powerful lion. You never stop accusing me; you become furious and attack over and over again.”



Job 10:18 Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me!
Job 10:19 I should have been as though I had not been; I should have been carried from the womb to the grave.
Job 10:20 Are not my days few? cease then, and let me alone, that I may take comfort a little,
Job 10:21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;
Job 10:22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness.


“Surely I will go to hell, a land of darkness and despair, after I die”
 
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That isn't regarding all terrible stuff he said about God. Don't defend these things:


Job 9:18 He will not suffer me to take my breath, but filleth me with bitterness.
Job 9:19 If I speak of strength, lo, he is strong: and if of judgment, who shall set me a time to plead?
Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.
Job 9:21 Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.


More accusations against God.




Job 9:22 This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroyeth the perfect and the wicked.

“God destroys the innocent along with the guilty.”

Job 9:23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.
Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

“When a good person dies a accidental death, God sits back and laughs during the trial.
And who else but God blindfolds the judges, then lets the wicked take over the earth?“


WOAH! Verse 23 is quite a statement by Job! That if a man should die accidentally while being punished, that God would laugh at the trial of an innocent man. This means that Job feels God is unjust and cruel!



Job 9:25 Now my days are swifter than a post: they flee away, they see no good.
Job 9:26 They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hasteth to the prey.
Job 9:27 If I say, I will forget my complaint, I will leave off my heaviness, and comfort myself:
Job 9:28 I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent.
Job 9:29 If I be wicked, why then labour I in vain?
Job 9:30 If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;
Job 9:31 Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me.


More accusations against God.


Job 9:32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
Job 9:33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
Job 9:34 Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me:
Job 9:35 Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me.

More accusations against God.


Job 10:1 My soul is weary of my life; I will leave my complaint upon myself; I will speak in the bitterness of my soul.


Again, he repeats his statement in chapter 7. He will not be silent about how he feels about what he thinks God is doing to him.


Job 10:2 I will say unto God, Do not condemn me; shew me wherefore thou contendest with me.
Job 10:3 Is it good unto thee that thou shouldest oppress, that thou shouldest despise the work of thine hands, and shine upon the counsel of the wicked?


“Why do you, God, take such delight in hating your children, and in blessing sinners?”



Job 10:4 Hast thou eyes of flesh? or seest thou as man seeth?
Job 10:5 Are thy days as the days of man? are thy years as man's days,
Job 10:6 That thou enquirest after mine iniquity, and searchest after my sin?


“Do you look at things the way we humans do? Is your life as short as ours? Is that why you are so quick to find fault with me?”



Ouch! Job is really digging himself a deep hole. Here he actually questions Gods right to judge man because God is not flesh and it’s implied that therefore God can’t understand what its like to live in the flesh. Yet, God can understand us, and could even before Christ was born in the flesh. God has the right to judge flesh man, and always has.



Job 10:7 Thou knowest that I am not wicked; and there is none that can deliver out of thine hand.
Job 10:8 Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet thou dost destroy me.

"You know I am innocent, but who can defend me against you? Will you now destroy someone you created?"


Job 10:9 Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?
Job 10:10 Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese?
Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.
Job 10:12 Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit.
Job 10:13 And these things hast thou hid in thine heart: I know that this is with thee.
Job 10:14 If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.
Job 10:15 If I be wicked, woe unto me; and if I be righteous, yet will I not lift up my head. I am full of confusion; therefore see thou mine affliction;



Job 10:16 For it increaseth. Thou huntest me as a fierce lion: and again thou shewest thyself marvellous upon me.
Job 10:17 Thou renewest thy witnesses against me, and increasest thine indignation upon me; changes and war are against me.


“No matter how hard I try, you keep hunting me down like a powerful lion. You never stop accusing me; you become furious and attack over and over again.”



Job 10:18 Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me!
Job 10:19 I should have been as though I had not been; I should have been carried from the womb to the grave.
Job 10:20 Are not my days few? cease then, and let me alone, that I may take comfort a little,
Job 10:21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;
Job 10:22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness.


“Surely I will go to hell, a land of darkness and despair, after I die”
Brother you know i care about you and we share His Love in our hearts for each other.

The LORD never concludes Job at fault, either from the opening of Job ch1 to the ending in Job ch42.

Job was permitted by the LORD to say what he said because of the severe trial/suffering and satanic assault against him that the LORD gave permission to take place = this is so important.
This is why the LORD said:
After the LORD had spoken these words to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and your two friends.
For you have not spoken about Me accurately, as My servant Job has.
So now, take seven bulls and seven rams,
go to My servant Job, and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves.
Then My servant Job will pray for you, for I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly.
For you have not spoken accurately about Me, as My servant Job has.”
Job 42:7-8

What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is there to condemn us?

Do you SEE the "seven bulls AND seven rams"...........7 BEFORE and 7 AFTER = Job was covered from the Start to the Finish = GOSPEL

"Being confident in this very thing that HE who began a Good Work in you will complete it till the Day of Christ."
 

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Brother you know i care about you and we share His Love in our hearts for each other.

The LORD never concludes Job at fault, either from the opening of Job ch1 to the ending in Job ch42.
He spends three chapters berating Job for his stupid accusations. Only at the beginning and end does Job do the right thing.
 
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He spends three chapters berating Job for his stupid accusations. Only at the beginning and end does Job do the right thing.
This is what most people miss - the LORD appeared to Job which in itself is a HUGE BLESSING and Prophetic Message.
The LORD'S rebuke is a Blessing for Job and us to SEE and is a Blessing. to us as well.

Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.
Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser;
Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
For by me your days will be multiplied,
And years of life will be added to you."
Proverbs 9:8-11

ALL this Job had and his life and love and knowledge of God INCREASED.

Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.
Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door! My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience. Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.
James 5:7-11
 

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It is cursing God.

OT:1288
barak (baw-rak'); a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit); also (by euphemism) to curse (God or the king, as treason):


Lexicon:

"It is properly used of persons, and is transferred to curses and impious words against God." This specific definition for the word in question is found in Job 1:5, 1:11 and Job 2:5.



Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

So what Satan literally said was:

"he will speak impious words against you"


American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
im•pi•ous (im'pe-?s, im-pi'-) Pronunciation Key
adj.
1. Lacking reverence; not pious.
2. Lacking due respect or dutifulness: impious toward one's parents.



In today's terms it would mean Job spoke in disrespect to God, and about God.
No it’s not Job cursing God.

I just gave you what the Biblical definition of cursing God is from Leviticus.

You are stretching words to mean what they don’t.
 

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I have that's why I know what happened in it.

Have you never read this:

Job 6:2 Oh that my grief were throughly weighed, and my calamity laid in the balances together!
Job 6:3 For now it would be heavier than the sand of the sea: therefore my words are swallowed up.
Job 6:4 For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.


Job charges God with symbolically attacking him with poisoned arrows, and unnamed terrors that God has at his disposal. Is this really what God does to those he loves and considers righteous? Is Job correct that God is doing this and is responsible for his misfortunes?


Job 6:5 Doth the wild ass bray when he hath grass? or loweth the ox over his fodder?
Job 6:6 Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?
Job 6:7 The things that my soul refused to touch are as my sorrowful meat.
Job 6:8 Oh that I might have my request; and that God would grant me the thing that I long for!
Job 6:9 Even that it would please God to destroy me; that he would let loose his hand, and cut me off!
Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.
Job 6:11 What is my strength, that I should hope? and what is mine end, that I should prolong my life?
Job 6:12 Is my strength the strength of stones? or is my flesh of brass?
Job 6:13 Is not my help in me? and is wisdom driven quite from me?
Job 6:14 To him that is afflicted pity should be shewed from his friend; but he forsaketh the fear of the Almighty.
Job 6:15 My brethren have dealt deceitfully as a brook, and as the stream of brooks they pass away;
Job 6:16 Which are blackish by reason of the ice, and wherein the snow is hid:
Job 6:17 What time they wax warm, they vanish: when it is hot, they are consumed out of their place.
Job 6:18 The paths of their way are turned aside; they go to nothing, and perish.
Job 6:19 The troops of Tema looked, the companies of Sheba waited for them.
Job 6:20 They were confounded because they had hoped; they came thither, and were ashamed.
Job 6:21 For now ye are nothing; ye see my casting down, and are afraid.
Job 6:22 Did I say, Bring unto me? or, Give a reward for me of your substance?
Job 6:23 Or, Deliver me from the enemy's hand? or, Redeem me from the hand of the mighty?
Job 6:24 Teach me, and I will hold my tongue: and cause me to understand wherein I have erred.


Little does Job know that he shall eventually be scolded and taught by God himself, and he would come to understand the errors of his tongue. This takes place near the end of the book for several chapters but is awhile yet in the future. Job continues:


Job 6:25 How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?
Job 6:26 Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate, which are as wind?
Job 6:27 Yea, ye overwhelm the fatherless, and ye dig a pit for your friend.
Job 6:28 Now therefore be content, look upon me; for it is evident unto you if I lie.
Job 6:29 Return, I pray you, let it not be iniquity; yea, return again, my righteousness is in it.
Job 6:30 Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?

Pride is deceptive. It assures you that you are right, even when you are not. Job cannot yet see how his tongue is full of iniquity and untruth about God but he will be shown the truth.






Job 7:11 Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.

He will do a lot of that.


Job 7:12 Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me?
Job 7:13 When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
Job 7:14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
Job 7:15 So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.

More accusations against God.

Job 7:16 I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity.
Job 7:17 What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
Job 7:18 And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?
Job 7:19 How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle?
Job 7:20 I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?

More accusations against God.


Job 9:13 If God will not withdraw his anger, the proud helpers do stoop under him.
Job 9:14 How much less shall I answer him, and choose out my words to reason with him?
Job 9:15 Whom, though I were righteous, yet would I not answer, but I would make supplication to my judge.
Job 9:16 If I had called, and he had answered me; yet would I not believe that he had hearkened unto my voice.
Job 9:17 For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.


Here Job accuses God of doing terrible things to him without cause meaning Job thinks he doesn't deserve this and God is responsible.
e is singing the wo is me song and lissening to his "friends"
 

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Dear Brother, the scriptures you post show us something Beautiful of God's love for us - His patience with us thru our sufferings.
His love to allow us to cry out in our anguish and on the darkest nights of despair.
Who do we know who also cried out to God in deep anguish???
"My God My God why have you forsaken Me............."

"who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,"

Jeremiah said this of the LORD:
I am the man who has seen affliction by the rod of His wrath.
He has led me and made me walk
In darkness and not in light.
Surely He has turned His hand against me
Time and time again throughout the day.

He has aged my flesh and my skin,
And broken my bones.
He has besieged me
And surrounded me with bitterness and woe.
He has set me in dark places
Like the dead of long ago.

He has hedged me in so that I cannot get out;
He has made my chain heavy.
Even when I cry and shout,
He shuts out my prayer.
He has blocked my ways with hewn stone;
He has made my paths crooked.

He has been to me a bear lying in wait,
Like a lion in ambush.
He has turned aside my ways and torn me in pieces;
He has made me desolate.
He has bent His bow
And set me up as a target for the arrow.


He has caused the arrows of His quiver
To pierce my loins.

I have become the ridicule of all my people—
Their taunting song all the day.
He has filled me with bitterness,
He has made me drink wormwood
.

He has also broken my teeth with gravel,
And covered me with ashes.
You have moved my soul far from peace;
I have forgotten prosperity.
And I said, “My strength and my hope
Have perished from the Lord.”

Remember my affliction and roaming,
The wormwood and the gall.
Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. Does this sound like a man that turned his back on God or on that is trying to go through a very hard time. Job never cursed God. God shows up in chapter 38 tells Job to get up put your big boy paints and lets go to battel. Job prevails in the end and God blesses him 7 times.
 
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God is Angry with Job. Ask why God is Angry with a righteous man and don't blame God for Job's calamity. Written plainly. For those KJV only in KJV.

Job 40
1Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
2Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
3Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
4Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
5Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.

Job 42
1Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
2I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
3Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.


God is not to be blamed for Job's calamities.
 
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Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. Does this sound like a man that turned his back on God or on that is trying to go through a very hard time. Job never cursed God. God shows up in chapter 38 tells Job to get up put your big boy paints and lets go to battel. Job prevails in the end and God blesses him 7 times.
AMEN x7
 
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God is Angry with Job. Ask why God is Angry with a righteous man and don't blame God for Job's calamity. Written plainly. For those KJV only in KJV.

Job 40
1Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
2Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
3Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
4Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
5Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.

Job 42
1Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
2I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
3Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.


God is not to be blamed for Job's calamities.
And God was angry with Moses and went to kill him and his wife had to do the circumcision to prevent this........................
And God was angry again with Moses when he struck the Rock a second time............

Does the Scripture also speak HIGHLY of Moses??? YES

Have you forgotten the MESSAGE = "for all (Abraham) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"

"In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong"- from beginning to end.
 

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And God was angry with Moses and went to kill him and his wife had to do the circumcision to prevent this........................
And God was angry again with Moses when he struck the Rock a second time............

Does the Scripture also speak HIGHLY of Moses??? YES

Have you forgotten the MESSAGE = "for all (Abraham) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"

"In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong"- from beginning to end.

No, Job only did right at the beginning and the end, the majority of the book he was sinning and cursing God.
 
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No, Job only did right at the beginning and the end, the majority of the book he was sinning and cursing God.
Brother, How can the LORD be wrong when HE absolves Job of sin? No sacrificial offering for Job required.

i read the chapters of Job especially when the LORD showed up and spoke to Job = Not one time did the LORD accuse Job of cursing HIM.

Complaining under intense suffering = YES, but the LORD never charged Job of surrender to satan/sin and the challenge of FAITH.

The LORD also clarified things which Job did not know of HIM and therefore Job repented, as we will all do in HIS Presence.
 

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Brother, How can the LORD be wrong when HE absolves Job of sin? No sacrificial offering for Job required.

Job repented.

Job 42:3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
Job 42:4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
 
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Job repented.

Job 42:3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
Job 42:4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
AMEN Brother, but the LORD knew this and the LORD accepted the responsibilty of the entire 'challenge to satan'.
The LORD granted to Job, without any condemnation, the leeway to protest, grieve and cry out in anguish of intense injustice against him.
The LORD both corrected and highly extolled Job from start to finish over what the LORD brought upon Job.
"Whom the LORD loves HE rebukes and corrects every son who HE receives."

The LORD never told Job to sacrifice for his error/grief, but the Eliphaz and his two friends were under God's wrath.......

"being confident of this very thing,
that HE who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ."
Philippians 1:6

" eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. "

"Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!
My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience.
Indeed we count them blessed who endure.
You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful. "

Nowhere is it ever recorded in the NT that Job sinned and cursed the LORD = ONLY Praise of Job

PEACE my Brother - Blessing and Peace of the Holy Spirit be upon you - amen
 

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AMEN Brother, but the LORD knew this and the LORD accepted the responsibilty of the entire 'challenge to satan'.
The LORD granted to Job, without any condemnation, the leeway to protest, grieve and cry out in anguish of intense injustice against him.

God chastised Job for his foolish accusations against God for 3 full chapters. During that job said this:

Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
 
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God chastised Job for his foolish accusations against God for 3 full chapters. During that job said this:

Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
AMEN Brother, and the LORD never charges Job with sin/cursing against HIM but HE did say HIS wrath was kindled against the other three who heaped praise upon the LORD...............PEACE and Comfort of the Holy Spirit be upon you my Brother.
 

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AMEN Brother, and the LORD never charges Job with sin/cursing against HIM

Why would he have to? It's clear that Job cursed God daily for most of book. That's why he admitted that he was vile and later repented, admitting he said things he shouldn't have.
 
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And God was angry with Moses and went to kill him and his wife had to do the circumcision to prevent this........................
And God was angry again with Moses when he struck the Rock a second time............

Does the Scripture also speak HIGHLY of Moses??? YES

Have you forgotten the MESSAGE = "for all (Abraham) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"

"In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong"- from beginning to end.
The OP asks who was it that persecuted Job! Job 38-42 indicates it was not God! Again the lesson here is that a righteous man was rebuked for thinking wrongly of God.
Not that Job is greater than Abraham! Not that Moses suffered more than Abraham!

Your logics are not only moot, they are non-sequitur,
1) "all <men> have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"
2) Abraham is a man.
means
Job is greater than Abraham

1) Moses fell ill, because of circumcision.
2) Moses was highly regarded.
means
Job is greater than Abraham

Only Jesus and Abraham are mentioned as reasons for gentile salvation. Only the Son of God is the means and Abraham because of the Promise.