Confusion over the "sign" gifts?

No one is denying that God performs miracles of healing daily. However we are talking about MIRACLE WORKERS in all the churches of the world performing miracles daily -- apart from prayer. Just as Peter and John caused that lame man outside the temple to be instantly walking and leaping and praising God -- "just like that".

If I'm getting what you said right, you're saying you basically believe it but you haven't seen it yet. Is this true?

I did not ask if you prayed. I asked if you actually performed a miracle. I have already spoken about the prayer of faith for healing. We are talking about miracle workers -- signs, wonders, and miracles.

Mark 16:17And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
I didn't see any Bible version say, "And these signs will accompany those who believe until the Bible is written."

You just can't see the forest for the hedge of trees you planted, can you? I'm praying some day your eyes will be opened, but until then you're going on ignore. There's just no helping the willfully ignorant.

Many years ago, in the 90s, my wife had a workout partner who got breast cancer. It was stage 4 and she had the Chemo. lost the hair, and everything looked bleak. She was Catholic. She knew that we were Assemblies of God and she did not know much about it but she knew we believed in praying for the sick and that miracles can still happen like what she read in the bible.

She invited all her friends over to her house to pray for her one evening. She asked me to lead it. Which makes sense because her friends were a mixed bag and I would say none of them really believed she was going to be miraculously healed that night. They wanted to offer those, "We have to accept the will of God" type prayers of doubt and unbelief.

I was able to figure that out by giving a time of teaching through the scriptures on healing. As I read scripture after scripture you could see faith rising in her and her husbands eyes but disgust in some of the others. But this changed after more and more scriptures were read in context.

By the time I laid out the many scriptures that promised healing by the atonement there were many who were eager to believe. Some were still wanting to put their "but not everyone gets healed 2 cents in" so I had to do what Jesus and Peter did.

I boldly looked at everyone in the room and I slowly told them. "If anyone here does not believe that Sarah is going to be healed of cancer tonight by divine miracle of God in the Name of Jesus I would ask you to please leave the room before we pray. I want only those who believe it is actually going to happen to stay and pray in agreement for her to be healed TONIGHT. Not some day, not after she is dead, TONIGHT!"

Some were smiling with faith, some were smiling with a smirk, some would not make eye contact. But no one left.

We prayed for her a simple faith filled prayer that she was healed tonight by the stripes Jesus bore on the cross and my prayer was full of scripture to instill faith.

Then soon after that I left because I told her I don't want to get into any discussions with some "theologian wannabe" who wants to argue about it and speak doubt. She was so grateful and her eyes were full of joy. You could tell something had happened.

The next week she called my wife and told her that she was in remission. That is what the Doctors say when you get healed from stage 4 cancer over night when praying Pentecostals teach you the scriptures and you put faith in them and in what Jesus promised. They call that remission. LOL. Hallelujah! I'll take it.

She was so thankful that I did it the way I did it. We all learned something that night.

I share it with you because I believe that sometimes people don't get healed because they have been talked out of believing for it.

And I don't care if people get angry with me for saying it. It says so in the bible. We don't need to be worried about false outrage from those who want to make it a point of contention. There are plenty of verses that emphasized the importance of faith about healing.

I would not tell someone, that you are not healed because you don't believe. That will never be my place. I don't think like that about anyone. I don't know the heart.

My point is that faith is critical and we know that from reading all the scriptures about it. So therefore we should take the time to build up someone's faith with scripture promises until we perceive that they have faith to be healed, and then pray for them.

Many just pray for people with no discussion at all and many people they pray for have no expectation of healing, they aren't even asking for it, instead they are asking that God comfort them and help them endure it. That is what they get.

So we have to take the time to teach scriptures to instill faith for a miracle before we pray for one. Then we will see these things happening today.

I do it. I do see signs. I do see miracles. I do have medical proof. I won't argue about it with people who don't believe. We don't have time for all that. A Storm is Coming and we need to fulfill the mission of "release" from the bondages of satan that Jesus sent us on. Not many will get up off their couches and from in front of their TVs and Go. But those who do see the same signs today when they preach the full Gospel.

I agree that many so called "Pentecostals" are just talk. They say they believe these things but they don't really Go forth and do them. There will only be a remnant that actually live what Jesus preached. He came to call those who would go all the way. They are always the few.

With the prophets and apostles, they had an extremely difficult existence. Hated, dishonored, beaten, lonely, and many endured horrible deaths. I find it interesting so many today can claim to have the same abilities, but lack the laden continuity of such a calling.

1 Cor 14:32 - the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets. Iow, the Holy Spirit may lead, but we may falter and not follow.

Which is different from when we try to force a gift the Spirit is not leading us to. That seldom ends well.

Paul taught the gifts and they are in action today. However, I think Paul cautioned that he'd rather we not act in them, than act incorrectly (1 Cor 14).

Thank God for the gift of discernment! (If only more of us would use it )

I was reading through the pages as i have been away for a couple of days and i just had to respond to this real quick
Yes it is one of my greatest fears to be a false prophet or to misuse the gift of prophecy so rather than move in it by own accord like a good soldier i wait for the call to act i wait for the flow then follow it. I think that most who understand what it actually means to be a prophet understand this but it also seems to be far and few in between because we have so many who claim to have the gifting yet look at the mess we have with them is it any wonder people don't believe in prophets anymore?

Now as far as the (sign gifts) go I understand that some believe they are not for today but am i the only one who remembers that Jesus said that anything is possible for one who believes? if they are not for today then one should not be able to do them yet i know of someone who was able to merely because he layed his hand on his wife prayed for her healing and walked away a simple thing no chanting or lengthy prayer no verses thrown around to empower the ritual or healing just a simple act of faith

I was reading through the pages as i have been away for a couple of days and i just had to respond to this real quick
Yes it is one of my greatest fears to be a false prophet or to misuse the gift of prophecy so rather than move in it by own accord like a good soldier i wait for the call to act i wait for the flow then follow it. I think that most who understand what it actually means to be a prophet understand this but it also seems to be far and few in between because we have so many who claim to have the gifting yet look at the mess we have with them is it any wonder people don't believe in prophets anymore?

Now as far as the (sign gifts) go I understand that some believe they are not for today but am i the only one who remembers that Jesus said that anything is possible for one who believes? if they are not for today then one should not be able to do them yet i know of someone who was able to merely because he layed his hand on his wife prayed for her healing and walked away a simple thing no chanting or lengthy prayer no verses thrown around to empower the ritual or healing just a simple act of faith

Where is "the evidence" of this being done today?

Where is "the evidence" of any of the Apostles' miracles?

Part of the problem is that in the various signs and wonders groups the bar for what constitutes a wonder or miracle has been set very low. So when someone says they've witnessed miracles what they're saying is they've seen people with back pain become pain free; or, someone with marital problems now has a healthy relationship; or, someone with addiction has been set free. While these are all well and good, I'd hardly call them miracles in the order of those born blind seeing or amputees growing new limbs.

Apparently you've never been an addict before, neither have you been in an abusive relationship

I've been in bondage to addictions; I've struggled with more things than I have time to relate. But thankfully I was set free from them. As I said, this is well and good and I'm very thankful, but I'd never describe it as a miracle. It was a healing of sorts, but certainly not a miraculous healing like growing a new limb or being raised from the dead.

Like I said, when you're put in a dire situation you will want to believe for one. That may be what it takes to get you to believe.

Believe? Tell me what I'm supposed to believe.

When you lay down your critical spirit, we can talk. Not till then.

Part of the problem is that in the various signs and wonders groups the bar for what constitutes a wonder or miracle has been set very low.