Ministry Of Deliverance

I will just point you to what I already stated in post 166.

If you read the scriptures, I gave reference for some, you will see that it is God who gives spiritual gifts by His Spirit.

uh huh.

Firstly I am diagnosed with schizophrenia and have first hand experience with evil voices and demonic oppression. So take this as a testimony.

Deliverance is real. You should not doubt it. I think you're bordering on Christianity without belief in the supernatural. The holy spirit is God. God is spirit. Devil is a spirit and his army of demons. Read John 4:1-6

Demons exist and they influence everyone with fits of rage, jealousy, pride, lust and sin.

Correct your thinking

How do determine what's real and what isn't when not on medication?

I have experienced the supernatural so you can count that out. This thread is focused on the ministry of deliverance. Have you been delivered of your illness?


I only question the interpretations, traditions, gestures, and actions that seem not to be universal.

I believe people should think more not less.

I am not going to tell you one way or the other. but I will say this, in context to interpretation 1cor chapters 12 through 14 are known as unit chapters therefore they must be seen in the text of all what the context is on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Your understanding of church structure on this topic is not what 1cor chapter 14 says.

that has nothing to do with what Jesus said about Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

What does it say?

read it sir, pray and ask the Holy Spirit. He will show you. that will be much better than me telling you. I could be wrong. And there are those who will never say that

I ask because I have read it. I'm asking what is your interpretation?

you did not say that

this is your thread I don't think you want to move into the gifts of the Holy Spirit do you? I will say it is my understanding that the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit are found in 1cor chapters 12-14, Eph chapter 4:11 , Mark 16 :28 Acts chapter 1:8 & 2:38

yep and after the Holy Ghost spoke the word ……she wasn’t possessed by a demon doing supernatural things anymore

no ceremony or anything just the power and authority of the Holy Ghost this one comes to mind however

“Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him. Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?

bring him hither to me. And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:15-

seems there are different kinds of evil spirits requiring sometimes prayer and fasting by disciples

Sure it does the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out Satan's lies with a lie (their new agey pharisee doctrines) about a lie (the priorly ancient idol) of the Philistines by the power of Satan. Jesus correctly points out how the two spiritual kingdoms cannot fight themselves. The Kingdom of Truth vs. The Kingdom of Lies. For what Satan did creating the evil spiritual Kingdom of Lies via the Three Lies the power of demons, he will never ever be forgiven. No hope for the Devil, Jesus will quite literally slay his entire kingdom, which the old dragon gathers together by the power of the Three Lies to foolishly think he can fight the Lord of Lords and all his armies of virgin saints and holy angels, and Jesus singlehandedly will slay his entire army by the Sword. Fire shall fall upon the dragon from the Father and he be cast forever into the Lake of Fire with his whole kingdom deceived. Praise Jesus.

In post 173 I said,

So I was looking for why the differences in interpretation.

Why are you so concerned about detecting demons on the streets? I believe you simply wanted to make sure that Christians cannot be possessed. And that has already been presented. Unless you have been called to a specific ministry to deal with demons, leave them alone. They love having all this attention, when they are a despicable bunch.

Now when someone goes to areas of the world where witchcraft, Shamanism and Animism are practiced, they can be sure to find a great deal of demonic activity. But right now the people screaming on the streets to kill infants and newborns have demons working alongside them (or within them).

Did anyone ever imagine that a day would come when this kind of evil activity would be encouraged? But there are also billions of dollars being paid to these bought and paid for protestors, BLM. Antifa, etc. Yet the "demons" in the Biden administration would rather call law-abiding parents "domestic terrorists" instead of going after the lawless ones. I have no doubt that the Democratic Party in America is controlled by Satan and his demons.

Poll: Plurality Consider Abortion ‘the Same as Murdering a Child’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/21/poll-plurality-consider-abortion-same-murdering-child/

The Supreme Court of the US had no business authorizing murder. As a result America is now essentially a lawless nation, with laws applied only to law-abiding citizens while criminals get a free pass.

Ever read news stories about horrific crimes committed by someone hearing voices, the voices telling them to commit the crime.

I once spoke to someone who heard voices and those voices would even shout at them at times. Taking the opportunity, I started to speak about Jesus. Then this fellow said, the voices were now shouting at him and he had to go. He walked away very quickly.

I have never been able to dismiss the folk that hear those audible voices.

Another news story had two young men that had murdered a girl. One of them told the police that he saw a demon after he killed the girl. He ran back to the car and told the other fellow to go and see the demon. The other fellow told the police that he did not see the demon. Both were charged with the murder.

These type of stories do occur from time to time.

The question arises of course, is this demonic possession?

Well, no one can answer that question because no one can know, that is, by observable evidence. It falls into the realm of whether you wish to believe it is or it is not, utterly subjective.

Is demonic possession or demonic influence, a common event?

Mark 1:34
And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He would not permit the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.

I doubt whether the exorcist type of possession occurs, more so, voices and intrusive thoughts, illness and misfortune.

ok stand corrected

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Hi, Roughsoul1991.

First of all, "demon possession" really isn't the best translation of the word "daimonizomai" which appears 13 times in the underlying Greek of the New Testament.

In the KJV, which is the Bible version that I regularly use, this underlying Greek word is translated as "possessed with devils" 4 times (Matt. 4:24, 8:16, 28, Mark 1:31), as "possessed with the devil" 3 times (Mark 5:15, 16, 18), as "possessed of the devils" 2 times (Matt. 8:33, Luke 8:36), and as "possessed with a devil" 2 times (Matt. 9:32, 12:22).

This accounts for 11 of its 13 usages in the New Testament, but I believe that the other two usages best bring out the meaning of the word "daimonizomai" which is translated as "vexed with a devil" in Matthew 15:22 and translated as "hath a devil" in John 10:21.

In other words, "possessed" denotes ownership, and if we simply look at some of the accounts of so-called "demon possession" in scripture, then it becomes quite apparent that the "demon" or "demons" didn't truly "possess" the individual. Instead, they vexed, afflicted, or influenced certain parts of the person's physical body or psyche. I'll cite an example of this reality in a moment, but first let me say that your statements concerning demon possession always being in an unbeliever are patently false.

I'm not blaming you as the originator of such a false teaching because it has abounded in many so-called "Christian circles" for years, but it really is a belief that you'll need to forsake yourself based upon such scriptural evidence as I'm about to provide for you now and in consequent posts.

Let's start with the words of Jesus Christ himself:

Matthew chapter 15

[21] Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
[28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Again:

Mark chapter 7

[24] And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
[25] For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
[26] The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
[27] But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
[28] And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
[29] And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
[30] And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

The first thing that we need to recognize from these parallel accounts in Matthew's and Mark's gospels is that Jesus Christ referred to deliverance (which is what this woman was seeking from him for her daughter) as "the children's bread", and NOT as "the unbeliever's bread".

We also need to recognize that this woman obviously believed in Jesus herself. I mean, she called him "Lord" (Matt. 15:22, 25, 27, Mark 7:28), she called him "thou Son of David" (Matt. 15:22) which is a Messianic title, she "worshipped him" (Matt. 15:25), and Jesus commended her by saying unto her "great is thy faith" (Matt. 15:28). Granted, she was there in proxy for her daughter, but she was definitely a believer in Jesus Christ who was seeking after "the children's bread" for her daughter.

We also need to recognize that Matthew's gospel says that her daughter was "vexed with a devil" (Matt. 15:22), which, again, is the English translation of the underlying Greek word "daimonizomai" that is elsewhere translated as "possessed with a devil", whereas Mark's gospel says that her daughter "had an unclean spirit" which is the English translation of the underlying Greek phrase "echō akathartos pneuma".

My point?

This girl obviously wasn't "possessed", as in "owned" by the devil, but rather vexed by an unclean spirit.

I'll stop here and allow you to comment on what I've said so far before addressing any of the other instances of so-called "demon possession" that we read of in scripture.

I think you will run into this sort of thing within the denominations that emphasize the apostolic gifts of the Spirit. However, I don't necessarily think most of these church leaders are intending to exorcise demons. Instead, it is an attempt to go on the offensive against Satan's attacks.

Conversely, there are other denominations that emphasize going on the defensive by putting on the full armor of God. You have sparked an interest in me to research this further.