A Precedent for Every Situation

Wansvic · May 23, 2022

Many question why some biblical records are silent concerning the requirements associated with the NT rebirth outlined in Acts 2:35-38. They conclude, wrongly, that silence is evidence that not all are required. God inspired Luke to record five NT conversion experiences in detail. These accounts in the Book of Acts establish a precedent for every situation. As such it was not necessary to mention every detail in all cases. (Lydia, the jailer, eunu-ch, etc.) The same principle is seen in the Gospel accounts regarding Jesus' miracles, etc. There would not be enough room to contain the books that would be written. (John 21:25)

Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

p_rehbein · May 23, 2022

uh, so, are you saying water baptism is required for salvation?

another Thread on this?

Seriously?

Wansvic · May 23, 2022

p_rehbein said:

The conversion experiences detailed confirm obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is required. However, the actual purpose of the thread is many question why some records neglect to include all requirements as initially presented on the Day of Pentecost after the Holy Ghost was given. (Acts 2:36-41)

Moses_Young · May 24, 2022

Wansvic said:

The conversion experiences detailed confirm obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is required. However, the actual purpose of the thread is many question why some records neglect to include all requirements as initially presented on the Day of Pentecost after the Holy Ghost was given. (Acts 2:36-41)

Is water baptism a work?

DavidTree · May 24, 2022

Moses_Young said:

YES - it is a modern day religious work added to the FINISHED Work of the Lord when HE died on the Cross for our sins.

Thus the 'water works' for those who play at religious amusement parks.

There is a true reason why the LORD said to John: "let it be so for now to fulfill all righteousness"

Outward water baptism has no bearing on the Spirit who saves us internally thru Faith in the Word.
The Holy Spirit is not subject to earthbound water.
The Holy Spirit responds to the Heavenly Water of the Word.

When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8(His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)

9“You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)c

10Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

11“Sir,” the woman replied, “You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where then will You get this living water? 12Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us this well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock?”

13Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again. 14But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.”
John ch4

Dino246 · May 24, 2022

DavidTree said:

That's inconsistent with Scripture. Following Jesus' death, baptism was mentioned as a current practice by Peter, the Ethiopian eunuch, Ananias, and Paul (repeatedly). Philip practiced it, as did others in Paul's company.

Snacks · May 24, 2022

Romans 10:9-10

DavidTree · May 24, 2022

Dino246 said:

i should of mentioned this at the beginning of my post for those who have not read my previous posts on this subject.

After i was fully Saved/Born-Again by the Spirit, i was water baptized.
i believe All the Scriptures and i water baptize believers in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ
The Scriptures clearly place ALL of the cleansing of sin for mankind upon the Shed Blood of Jesus Christ.

Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the New Covenant in My Blood,
which is shed for you. - Luke 22:20

saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood,
and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages,
He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
Hebrews ch9

Water baptism never did and never can wash away sins = it is an outward sign of faith agreeing with God to repent/turn away from sin.

DavidTree · May 24, 2022

Dino246 said:

My mention of modern day water baptism is reflective of the Roman Catholic Church and other religions that place trust in water baptism as their 'Go To' for salvation.

We are 2,000 years since this began and a lot of emphasis in christianity is on the outward, ceremony, church buildings, pastors and denominations.

My exhortation yo everyone is to never add to the Finished Work of Christ on the Cross = that is sin and dangerous.

DavidTree · May 24, 2022

Dino246 said:

The Apostles did not practice it as some 'modern day' christians is my main point.
They made water baptism a final act AFTER the preaching of the Word for repentance unto the TRUTH = Messiah has come and HE died/shed His Blood for the sins of the world, was buried for 3 days and HE rose from the dead.

DavidTree · May 24, 2022

Dino246 said:

Finally, i gave you CLEAR understanding of Scripture from the LORD in John chapter 4 as to the Eternal HOLY SPIRIT that the FATHER gave for us to be Baptized in = Acts chapters 1 & 2

water baptism is only outward whereas Holy Spirit Baptism is Inward

Dino246 · May 24, 2022

DavidTree said:

Then you should have said so. As it is, your assertion is unbiblical.

Magenta · May 24, 2022

Snacks said:

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

Dino246 · May 24, 2022

DavidTree said:

Not in this thread, you didn't. You quoted John 4 after some comments about the Holy Spirit, Who is not directly mentioned in John 4. Perhaps you need to back off from the certainty of your own understanding and come to the Scriptures again, though with some humility this time.

Nehemiah6 · May 24, 2022

Wansvic said:

Still beating a dead horse? Actually there is no mention of the "NT rebirth" in that particular passage. You will not find "born again", "born of God", "born of the Spirit, or "born from above" in that passage.

So what do we find instead? (1) Jesus is declared to be both Lord and Christ because of His resurrection; (2) the Jews are convicted of their sin of crucifying Christ and not receiving Him as Lord and Savior; (3) the Jews are greatly concerned about the future of their souls and ask as to what they must now do; and (4) Peter tells them bluntly that they must repent and be converted, and then they will receive the Holy Spirit.

The order of words in Acts 2:38 gives the appearance that baptism is meant for repentance. But that is not really what Peter meant since he corrects that impression in Acts 3:19. As Jesus taught, repentance is for the remission of sins, and baptism FOLLOWS repentance and faith in Christ. We see this clearly in other passages in Acts.

p_rehbein · May 25, 2022

Wansvic said:

Ok, let's take baby steps.

Required for salvation: Believing in Jesus. Repenting and becoming His disciple. Nothing, NOTHING can cleanse us of our sins and make us worthy to be called a child of God but the precious blood of Jesus! NOTHING!

The only reason water baptism is important for believers is that Jesus said to be water baptized. Why? Because water baptism serves as a "witness" to both the Church and the world that a person has become a disciple of Jesus and a child of God.

The "saving baptism" is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, as we are cleansed by the precious blood of Jesus. This "salvation baptism" can NOT be seen by the human eye. Thus, water baptism is the "visible baptism" Jesus told us to partake of. Water baptism can be seen by both the Church and the world allowing ALL to know that a person has accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. Water baptism IS NOT REQUIRED FOR SALVATION!

Water baptism is considered by many to be the 1st act of obedience to Jesus by a new believer. Just as other commandments given by Jesus to the Church, it is to be obeyed, BUT NOT REQUIRED FOR SALVATION! The person being water baptized should have already been saved when they repented, and asked Jesus to come into their lives as Lord and Savior.

You LEGALISTS who require "works" to achieve salvation are going to suffer a terrible surprise one day, sadly........

DavidTree · May 25, 2022

Dino246 said:

Ah, religion and it's hard heart = never fails to assail the Truth.

No humility will be shown to the religious minded on here = only to those seeking the Truth.

Dino246 · May 25, 2022

DavidTree said:

Irrelevant, arrogant blather. Try responding to my post instead of merely reacting to it.

DavidTree · May 25, 2022

Wansvic said:

Many question why some biblical records are silent concerning the requirements associated with the NT rebirth outlined in Acts 2:35-38. They conclude, wrongly, that silence is evidence that not all are required. God inspired Luke to record five NT conversion experiences in detail. These accounts in the Book of Acts establish a precedent for every situation. As such it was not necessary to mention every detail in all cases. (Lydia, the jailer, eunu-ch, etc.) The same principle is seen in the Gospel accounts regarding Jesus' miracles, etc. There would not be enough room to contain the books that would be written. (John 21:25)

Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

The PRECEDENT for Salvation was irrefutably established by God in Genesis before Adam, Eve and satan.

NO water baptism was given/applied to Adam & Eve.
NO water baptism was given/applied to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Precedent #1 - Blood Sacrifice = "Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them." Genesis ch3

Precedent #2 - FAITH in the Word = Galatians 3:5-9

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

DavidTree · May 25, 2022

Dino246 said:

i reviewed my posts and found humility attached to Truth direct from Scripture - maybe you're just not feeling it.

The Pharisees believed that Jesus and His disciples were quite arrogant = they were all beaten for their "arrogance".

It's time to chill
and take the prayer pill
works every time

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