Why nonelects have no control over hating God's elects?

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Ex: stranger click his teeth or tongue in anger when near them.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17

King James Version (KJV)

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord (agreement or harmony) hath Christ with Belial (Satan)? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

James 4:4

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4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


Proverbs 29:27

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27 An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.

Genesis 3:14-15

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14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent (Satan), Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed (All nonelects) and her seed (All of God’s elect); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Nonelects have no control over hating God's elects because Satan and his demons control all nonelects.

Example=finding fault with someone even though he didn't do anything wrong, this happen to my physical family.
Example 2=older sibling using loaded questions (logical fallacies) and taking sides with a bully.
 

Dino246

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Nonelects have no control over hating God's elects because Satan and his demons control all nonelects.

Example=finding fault with someone even though he didn't do anything wrong, this happen to my physical family.
Example 2=older sibling using loaded questions (logical fallacies) and taking sides with a bully.
Dismissing others as “nonelects” is passing judgment on them. You were an unsaved sinner once; forget that and you become arrogant, earning the disdain you receive.
 

Eli1

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Hello there Calvinist member.
 

Aerials1978

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Somehow this conversation always seems to pop back up.
 

glen55

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God does everything your Imagination believes because mercy covers all acting it out in unbelief and belief, Paul hinted what creates both Romans 11:32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
The flesh does try and figure it all out but can't by looking outside themselves, Romans 11:33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
We all fail this till we look inside where Christ is in all man still asleep about that fact that God creates every mental beliefs looking outside for Jesus Christ till David wakes you. Paul taught about David's teachings of Having that Son in him and his lord.
2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that !!Jesus Christ is in you!!, except ye be reprobates?
When you reach no longer needing to judge the Christ in you wakes. Hard to do when evil acts but its all by one power we have power we don't give to thoughts but it does create.
 

Aaron56

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Be careful not to conflate the multiple meanings of one word. "Father" is like that. So is "friend", "salvation", "forever", etc. "World" is like that, too. We are not to love the "world" even though God "so loved the world". In the first sentence "world" is the systems of the world as established by the enemy. In the second, "world" means people. If we do not love people then we cannot be like the Lord. Just for clarification: I'm not saying that one ought to love everybody like some kind of weak religious practice. Discern to whom you have been sent in love and love them as the Lord loves them.
 

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God does everything your Imagination believes because mercy covers all acting it out in unbelief and belief, Paul hinted what creates both Romans 11:32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
The flesh does try and figure it all out but can't by looking outside themselves, Romans 11:33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
We all fail this till we look inside where Christ is in all man still asleep about that fact that God creates every mental beliefs looking outside for Jesus Christ till David wakes you. Paul taught about David's teachings of Having that Son in him and his lord.
2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that !!Jesus Christ is in you!!, except ye be reprobates?
When you reach no longer needing to judge the Christ in you wakes. Hard to do when evil acts but its all by one power we have power we don't give to thoughts but it does create.
Hunh? 😳
 

glen55

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What did Paul say about chapter twelve about spiritual milk possibilities outside yourself needs in 13.

1Cor 13:8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Why would Baptists John hate 13 being better than his greatness being least to least in heaven that at least started to eat meat! 2Cor 13: (another hint like Luke 17) 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Does flesh know? NO. Luke 17: 20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (How many here know? )

Saul before becoming Paul who he hated by old wine flesh experts like is prior beliefs of milk.

Hunh...............
 

Dino246

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What did Paul say about chapter twelve about spiritual milk possibilities outside yourself needs in 13.

Saul before becoming Paul who he hated by old wine flesh experts like is prior beliefs of milk.
English much understand you? Yoda speaking like difficult. Learn you grammar good!
 
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We tend to give satan a lot of credit when it comes to offensive people.
When in fact it is our own heart and motive that deceives us.
There is none righteous no not one. So we all come from a level playing field. Some chose to stay making excuses instead of accountability.
No one seeks God he stands at the door and knocks.
As grace has been freely given to us freely give this grace to others. For if you judge so shall you be judged.
 
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Dismissing others as “nonelects” is passing judgment on them. You were an unsaved sinner once; forget that and you become arrogant, earning the disdain you receive.
It's discerning by their fruits.

Matthew 10:34-36
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34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.


John 15:19
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19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


Isaiah 55:11
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11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


Bible verses being fulfilled.
 

Dino246

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It's discerning by their fruits.

Matthew 10:34-36
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34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.


John 15:19
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19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


Isaiah 55:11
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11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


Bible verses being fulfilled.
No; Bible verses being misapplied. There are two basic reasons why people might hate you: because they're evil; or because you are evil. Don't dismiss the second so easily. Many Christians are jerks and jackdonkeys because they have not submitted aspects of their character or behaviour to the Lord for refining, and they earn the ire of those around them. Passing that off as "hatred from the non-elects" is blinding yourself to your own sin.
 
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No; Bible verses being misapplied. There are two basic reasons why people might hate you: because they're evil; or because you are evil. Don't dismiss the second so easily. Many Christians are jerks and jackdonkeys because they have not submitted aspects of their character or behaviour to the Lord for refining, and they earn the ire of those around them. Passing that off as "hatred from the non-elects" is blinding yourself to your own sin.
John 8:42-47
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42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”


Isaiah 5:20
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20 Woe unto them (all nonelects)that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 

Dino246

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John 8:42-47
New King James Version


42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”


Isaiah 5:20
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20 Woe unto them (all nonelects)that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
You can quote Scripture. That's great!

You add to Scripture. That's not great!

Do you have something to say, or are you just throwing verses at me to see my reaction?
 
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You can quote Scripture. That's great!

You add to Scripture. That's not great!

Do you have something to say, or are you just throwing verses at me to see my reaction?
Am just posting the truth.