What is meant when people say 'guns don't kill people; people do'?

Tell that to Goliath....

I agree with you that a government registry of Guns is a violation of the 2nd Amendment and is unconstitutional.

However, having a variety of private insurers have this information that the government would then have to subpoena in the event of a crime is not a violation. This is why I say we need liability insurance for gun owners.

This will not be expensive. They will take into account the type of gun, your history as a gun owner, and where you live. Buying a rifle to shoot bear for someone living in Alaska or Montana would be far different from someone buying a handgun who lives in Chicago.

If you have owned guns for 20 years it would probably be a routine task to get another one. But if you are 18 and this is your first gun and you want an AR-15 or a Glock they would probably want a deeper dive. Access to your medical records, mental health records, and social media accounts.

Let's say after this review everything is fine and you can buy the gun. You then want to buy 3,000 rounds of ammo, bullet proof vest, and a second gun. They may balk at that. For example when you filled out the application you may have said you want to fire the gun at ranges as a hobby. OK, you can buy your ammo at the range that you are shooting. Why do you need 3,000 rounds at home?

I agree, however, "a well regulated militia" could definitely include liability insurance particularly based on our recent history. After these various mass shootings are victims compensated monetarily?

Never in a million years would I want to give gov't access to my personal information. They wanted to hang Rittenhouse because he used a gun in self defense. They told all kinds of lies in the MSM and made it look like the kid had the intent to kill just because he had a gun. Luckily there were no laws against him having a gun and he's still alive today. Gov't has too dang much power now, I'm not about to give them more.

I understand what you are saying about insurance... I don't know that I agree with it... I need more time to think it through.
However, what other Constitutionally enumerated right do we have that requires liability insurance?

Cars have license plates. I don't think any driver has the right to drive on public streets anonymously. That said, I don't want the automatic shut off of a car in the hands of the government, something Biden has asked all car companies to provide.

Yes, businesses can be insured against defamation lawsuits (slander and libel). So your first amendment rights have liability insurance.

NOBODY has a "right" to drive. Driving is a privilege granted to people who meet the required qualifications.

But I do not have to purchase liability insurance to speak.
If I abuse the right to speak, I can be prosecuted. Just as if I abuse the right to use a firearm responsibly, I can be prosecuted.
Same with alcohol.... I don't have to buy insurance to be able to go buy and drink a beer.

cant ban culture . need to change it. that is very hard to do.

as i say whilst nothinh changes due to arguments every year. more innocent children are killed.

Stop debating . make a change

How much damage can you do with your speaking? If you work for a multinational corporation in a position of authority that can equal millions even hundreds of millions of dollars. So yes, in that event they will be insured.

How much did the Sandy Hook kid or the Columbine Kids or this kid in Texas pay out to the victims of their crimes? This is why we require anyone with a car to have insurance because we know you can do a lot more damage than you can pay for.

Yes, you definitely pay insurance if you go and buy a beer in a bar. Check the price of that beer compared to what a six pack costs at the grocery store. That extra fee includes liability insurance.

How much damage can you do with your speaking? If you work for a multinational corporation in a position of authority that can equal millions even hundreds of millions of dollars. So yes, in that event they will be insured.

How much did the Sandy Hook kid or the Columbine Kids or this kid in Texas pay out to the victims of their crimes? This is why we require anyone with a car to have insurance because we know you can do a lot more damage than you can pay for.

Yes, you definitely pay insurance if you go and buy a beer in a bar. Check the price of that beer compared to what a six pack costs at the grocery store. That extra fee includes liability insurance.

This is an aside -- explaining why life insurance is a racket.

But, frankly, I'd never register them with the government no matter what laws they passed. Frankly I don't trust the government at all.

You have a good point about having licensing and insurance . and gun laws should be stricter . lives are saved also with stricter laws for acquiring firearms. I was just explain the statement I don't agree with the saying personally.

Maybe we should have stricter a red flag law
If it can be demonstrated that you ever publicly made a threat then you're not getting a gun

If we are going to compare guns to cars, and I think that is a very fair analogy, then you need to include everything.

1. Everyone should have to get a license before being able to use a gun. So imagine a gang member is caught with a gun but we can't prove a crime so we have to let him go. No, if he doesn't have a license that proves he is qualified to use a gun then that would be the same offense as catching someone driving a car without a license. This process should involve a written test that can be done on the computer at DMV or some other location and then you should have to appear on the shooting range with a gun instructor who will certify that you know how to properly use a gun and keep it safe.

2. Everyone who buys a gun must also get liability insurance. No one talks about this because compared to the deaths this seems trivial, but it would go a very long way to preventing these events. Think about the 19 kids and two teachers shot and killed. The insurance company would have to pay out damages, say $1 million to each person killed. This one event would have cost them over $20 million, and there would be other damages besides those who are killed. Here is why this is important. You have a big, powerful rich company with a financial interest to prevent these attacks.

When this kid goes to buy his guns and his ammo and his bullet proof vests or any other equipment he has to provide proof of insurance. As a result the insurance company would immediately be notified and using their powerful computers and algorithms and AI there would be an immediate Red Flag pop up.

Not only so but insurance companies would give you discounts if you list your social media accounts, so by monitoring those the red flags would pop up two weeks before the event.

What we need is a powerful ally with the resources and tools to spot and react to red flag events like an 18 year old kid saying he is going to commit mass murder on social media or with an 18 year old working part time at a fast food restaurant buying 83k worth of guns, ammo, equipment and a truck.

Do you want to know why Chicago has such horrific gun crime? When we find the bullets and shell casings we could identify the gun, however, this information is not allowed to be digitized so investigators have to go to trailers housing millions of paper documents that provide that information. It is an impossible task. However, if everything were on the various Insurance agencies computers then it would be easy for the cops to send out a request to all the insurance agencies to identify the gun and the owner and they could immediately get a hit and a response.

Again, if a gang member is caught with a gun and they don't have insurance that would be another violation they could charge them with.

I heard today that the US has the worst homicide rate from guns among 193 countries, but if you remove the data from five cities, all run by democrats, all with the strongest gun regulations in the country (LA, Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia and Washington DC) then the US is 183 out of 193.

yes you are right it is culture problem

Sadly can we wait for the culture to change and watch more die.

Or while they changing the culture should something be done differently ?

Once the culture changes to more like Switzerland. then guns can be made available again

Culture is hard to change though