Paul and 1 Corinth 12:3

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2ndTimothyGroup

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BTW, you need to know people before you start falsely judging them
I haven't judged your heart. You issued me an angry face so it is only normal for any human being to assume that you're angry. You just can't make this stuff up. Unbelievable.
 

Magenta

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2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering
to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9
:)
 

Edify

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I haven't judged your heart. You issued me an angry face so it is only normal for any human being to assume that you're angry. You just can't make this stuff up. Unbelievable.
All this for an emoji?
I was just showing my dissatisfaction of your post. You looked way too deep into that one. I do really hope you would look at the scriptures I showed you.
Have a nice evening anyways.
 
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Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the spirit of God says Jesus be cursed, and no one can say"Jesus is Lord "exept by the holy spirit.


Sometimes a wonder why Paul says some of the things he does. There have probably been hundreds of millions of people in the last 2000 years who have said" Jesus is Lord"who have not recieved the holy ghost.
Jesus even says in the gospel many people will come to him calling him Lord and he will say to them that he never knew them.

So why in the world would Paul make claims so that people such as Jim Jones can minipulate people using Paul's words as proof they have recieved the holy ghost?
Saying that Jesus is Lord can mean different things to trillions of different peoples over the past 2,000 Years.

But i get your point.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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All this for an emoji?
I was just showing my dissatisfaction of your post. You looked way too deep into that one. I do really hope you would look at the scriptures I showed you.
Have a nice evening anyways.
Sorry. I haven't any idea of what you're talking about.

Take care.
 

ResidentAlien

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I've read theories about this passage that suggest Paul was addressing the Gnostics; that may very well be the case. For example, since Jesus had a human body he was accursed, for the Gnostics believe there's nothing at all of worth in the material world. So if a Gnostic says "Jesus is accursed" because of his material body don't believe them.

"The Corinthian Christians suffered from an early form of Gnosticism where they saw a deep separation between the physical and the spiritual worlds so that what happened in one did not affect the other. One related belief was the idea that the physical world was evil and the spiritual world was good. Therefore, if Jesus had a truly human body, then it must have been evil or sinful, and if so, then Jesus was accursed and died as a sinful human in the flesh so that God could set Him free into the spiritual realm."—Source: https://redeeminggod.com/1-corinthians-12-3-true-christian/
 

Pilgrimshope

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Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the spirit of God says Jesus be cursed, and no one can say"Jesus is Lord "exept by the holy spirit.


Sometimes a wonder why Paul says some of the things he does. There have probably been hundreds of millions of people in the last 2000 years who have said" Jesus is Lord"who have not recieved the holy ghost.
Jesus even says in the gospel many people will come to him calling him Lord and he will say to them that he never knew them.

So why in the world would Paul make claims so that people such as Jim Jones can minipulate people using Paul's words as proof they have recieved the holy ghost?
if we say “Lord “ the meaning of this word needs to be real. To have a lord means a lot it makes you subject to his rule and will an acknowledgement that he is greater and your worship is given over to your lord and God

evil doesn’t confess this in truth but a deceiver manipulates speaking lies making his confession null
And void

Jeffery dahmer was Christian , Jim jones actually claimed he was lord though I can remember that perfectly when it happened it was all the news for months

I remember the news showing clips of his sermons in one he throws the Bible on the flood and tells them he’s Jesus and they don’t need that book just his words

but saying something in a deception is. Ot a confession biblically confessions come from the heart by thier nature lies can be spoken but they aren’t confession s confessions are always the truth
 

Thewatchman

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Is Paul's statement true that no man can say "Jesus is Lord" without the holy ghost?

Was Jim Jones a man of God?
There is a good thred called cherry picking. You are doing a good job of that here.
You have to go back to 1 Corinthians 11:23 verses from the Berean Study Bible
23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; c do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the d body and blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body e eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment. 32But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world. 33So, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you come together it will not result in judgment. And when I come, I will give instructions about the remaining matters.
1 Corinthians 12
1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2You know that when you were pagans, you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 4There are different gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different ministries, but the same Lord. 6There are different ways of working, but the same God works all things in all people.
After I have put this out here I have to ask; did you post this to get a rise out of peole; or are you really in need of an answer?