Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

So you consider the truth rude? Well it is a wake up call when presented without frills and chills, but there you have it.

If you think I am rude, I wonder what Paul, whom you seem to like to quote, would have to say? I do recall some of what he said to those who twisted the gospel and it was way past rude.

Snide remarks are unnecessary and rude.
"These simple indicators of the meaning in scripture appear to have left you dazzled by the light."

So now you are going with ad hominin ? Figures.

Nothing wrong there at all. Just the truth again.

So, which water regeneration group do you call home? Care to tell us?

What wansvic and a few others here seem to be promoting is also called water or baptismal regeneration.

The belief that baptism is necessary for salvation is also known as "baptismal regeneration." Baptism is an important step of obedience for a Christian, but water is not the source of forgiveness for sins.

Christians should be water baptized by immersion. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
“Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” The action of being immersed in the water illustrates dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection. Romans 6:3-4

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

I could not have been any plainer short of a get behind me....fill in the blanks.

Don't play games.

Please explain the meaning of the following verses since you believe they mean something other than what they say:

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

"... be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... Acts 2:38

Maybe you are not familiar with the truth? The truth has been stated so simply a child can understand and for that matter, I came to Christ as a child. Maybe I have a head start on you

I do know I am not confused nor am I going to play your game

Please explain why you say that if anyone has been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they must be re-baptized in the name of Jesus only?

Why tarriest thou wansvic? Just spill all the beans instead of pretending you are not part of one of those Jesus only groups that put water baptizing before anything else?

aka Oneness Pentacostal

There is a big difference between scripture and opinion. I share scripture you can't give an answer and call it a game. So sad.

You have not denied what group you appear to belong to.

Oneness Pentecostal is a whole other game and how about needing to be re-baptized?

On this earth, you are free to believe what you want. You share an opinion and you have not responded to my posts. Instead you are trying very hard to make it seem I do not respond to scripture.

Since neither the Oneness folk or the water saves folk (often combined) have the last say in salvation, I simply rejoice in my salvation and I understand you and your group have absolutely no reflection on anyone in this forum who actually does have a handle on the truth.

You have not and cannot change the fact that only Jesus shed blood on the cross is acceptable to God as a requirement for the fulfillment of the OT laws and ordinances. Your water is not acceptable to God and does not wash you clean in any way, shape or form.
You do not handle the Bible as a teacher of truth, but rather divert from the truth and that is on you.

You have basically hijacked this thread with your false doctrine. Done with it.

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You have basically hijacked this thread with your false doctrine. Done with it.

Please elaborate.❤️ You may then help to clear up the confusion you refer to.

I look forward to it as well.

I've presented the scriptures. It is not my job to attempt to make you accept the truth as stated in them. People are tasked with planting and watering seeds (God's word) and God gives the increase/revelation to those who hunger and thirst for the truth.

I could not have been any plainer short of a get behind me....fill in the blanks.

Don't play games.

You don't set the narrative for God's word!

It is difficult to have a quality debate with someone who don't understand english...what language can we put God's word into that would help you?

WOW...that's a lot of un-common sense.
Does Rev 15; 23 say we must repent of our sins? NO
Does that mean we don't have to? No. But, applying your non sensical comment it would mean...yes. Go tell.
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So what is your dubious and nonintellectual point?
Here is God's word;

Baptism is required.

So now you are going with ad hominin ? Figures.

Many church denominations today have different interpretations of what the Bible says concerning baptism. A good number of church officials place a strong emphasis on baptism and how it relates to salvation. Also, because of the many different denominations in this country, we have different ways of being baptized(being dipped, sprinkled, immersion, etc.). The Bible is pretty clear in defining baptism as an act of immersion. Baptize is from a Greek word meaning, "to submerge in water." Also, baptism by immersion easily identifies Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, Christians are then baptized as a testimony of their faith. While some feel baptism takes on a more important role than faith alone, it is indeed important to the Christian faith but is not dependent upon salvation. Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves". As with every subject matter in scripture, we must take the entire text into account concerning baptism. Salvation is humility, repentance, and the transformation of a new person and not the product of one activity.

Acts 10:44-48 "While Peter spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all of them which heard the word". Receiving the Holy Spirit comes before baptism. Since only a truly saved person can have the Holy Spirit, it would seem that baptism, in this context wasn't needed for the household of Cornelious' to receive the gift of salvation. **Interesting to note that Paul was God's "chosen vessel" to preach the word to the gentiles, but Peter was the first of Jesus' disciples to preach to a gentile family. God chose Peter to bring the Word to Israel at the start of the ministry.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a verse that many turn to who support baptism as necessary for salvation. "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth now save us". If we stopped reading at this point, this would seem a bit confusing. Continuing, "(Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), by the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Clearly, we can see here that baptism cannot wash away the "filth of the flesh" or sin that is in our lives, only Jesus can.

Acts 16:30-34 and Acts 18:8 All who hear and receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ are fit candidates for baptism. Hearing, believing, and being baptized is a consistent pattern for Christians.

Acts 19:1-5 Another passage that can be confusing if we focus on just one single text in the story. This was Paul's third missionary journey in which he meets some men who were "disciples", that is believers but had been baptized under John's baptism. Notice that it is recorded that they were "believers" in Christ. Their salvation was secure, but many interpret this passage as meaning the men were not saved and were the reason why Paul had to baptize them again. This was now the church age in which Jesus left us with a "comforter", that is the Holy Spirit. The men had taken the first step in the repentance of sins, but Christians are baptized for their faith in Jesus. The men were living under the Old Testament covenant. Paul recognizes this, thus he baptized them under the new covenant.

The book of Ephesians chapter two explains salvation by grace through faith very well and never mentions baptism is a means for salvation. The Grace of God is the expression of His love toward the undeserving. Those who deserve the Lake of fire, obtain Heaven. Faith is humanity's response to God's Word and His gift of salvation. Baptism is a "work" and since chapter 2 of Ephesians tells us "not of works", one can conclude that we cannot earn our way to salvation, through baptism or any other kind of "works". When a believer submits for a baptism, they are buried as a dead person, but then raised up new. They are proclaiming their faith in Jesus' death and resurrection as the means by which they are saved from the burning Lake of fire. The unbelievers should not be baptized at all, but the saved ought to be baptized as a matter of obedience(Jesus did it) and testimony. Christian baptism should be a part of their life, but to make it a means of salvation is to muddle the Gospel of Grace.

If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).

But let's take a look at when the baptism started in the Bible. Let's go to 1 Corinthian 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

So the baptism go as far as Moses. Why? Because God made Moses the intercessor, like today Jesus is the our intercessor to the Father. But guess what else we just leaned in these verses, Jesus Christ was back there in the days of Moses as God almighty. Yes! That was Jesus. Remember what Jesus says to the jews in John 8: 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).

So what happen to those who are not baptize and who do not repent?

As to what scripture says occurs in water baptism:
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

"... be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... Acts 2:38

And Peter's words concerning one's willingness to believe and act upon the God-given command to be baptized in water.
"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:40-41