Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

While I like the word immersed. It is still out of place.
Gift of the spirit does not go with baptism. It goes only with repent

forgiveness of your sins goes with baptism. However. For or into can be translated in order to recieve, or on account of already recieved.

since the gift of the spirit is given solely on the basis of repentance. And the gift can not be given apart from forgiveness. The only logical interpretation is we go to be baptized on account of already recieved remmision of sin.’

Sorry bro. The Bible does not teach this at all

Jesus told us many times how to be saved. Not once did he mention baptism. Because baptism is not required to be born again, given eternal life.

Perople who try to pick a few passages, and twist them to make it appear baptism is required do so at their own peril

Verse 5
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+3&version=ASV#fen-ASV-29913a

Why struggle against such a clique? Whatever their true motives, if they've committed to this treason for years here they'll not change at all now.

When they resort to name calling to defend their false teaching of Christ , have we won the argument if we do so thinking to defend with his truth?

I agree with you. I see the CJB version as saying that when we repent we are immersed into forgiveness of sins. Not immersed into water. I also believe metanoia simply means to have a change of mind. So, this essentially says change your mind and you will be immersed into forgiveness of sins. Not something someone has to go do, something that is automatically done to them. Just like we see here:

“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV

We are sealed in Him, or immersed into him, by the Holy Spirit when we hear the word and believe. I think Acts 2:38 and Ephesians 1:13 say exactly the same thing.

That’s highly interpretive and doesn’t say what you’re claiming it does. “Outward sign of an inward grace” does not exist in the Bible.

Thats why I get to the point I stop responding to them. When I see new people come in. I will respond only to expose them, but I will not play they game.

I also believe metanoia simply means to have a change of mind.

You are not sharing scripture. You are USING scripture, that you and your group have twisted and taken out of context, to try to proselytize and lure people from the truth.

This is a deceitful practice, but I guess the same was done to you. To be set free from this harmful practice of Jesus only baptism and water washes away sin (it washes dirt only) a person must confess they have believed a lie and then turn to the truth. If you are playing a game, you are playing with people's souls and God will hold you accountable.

God has not made a covenant with us with water; the covenant for salvation is made through the blood of Christ.

For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:28

Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. Acts 20:28

Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. I Peter 1: 18-19

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

We cannot approach God through water. As Jesus Himself stated, He is the only way to God the Father. That was made possible through His blood. Any other teaching is not biblical and is, in fact, heretical in nature.

As for wansvic's many untruths accusing people of not being able to respond to her Bible verses, it can plainly be seen that he/she whatever, is actually the one who cannot and will not respond to the truth presented in scripture, but rather continually charges it is others because wansvic cannot respond without acknowledging that water does not save anyone.

We are instructed to be baptized in water, but not for salvation, as has been explained with scripture, many times over in this thread and others that have been started for the purpose of attacking the truth.

This is a common misunderstanding. While metanoia literally means a change of mind, biblical repentance goes much further and much deeper.

It is a change of mind, will, heart, motives, goals, direction, lifestyle, etc. because God gives the sinner a new heart, a new mind, and a new spirit. He also gives the gift of the Holy Spirit in order to transform this person into the image of Christ. Therefore it is misleading to say it is merely "a change of mind". It includes godly sorrow for past sins, and a total turning away from sins and idols to worship and serve the living and true God and the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is this kind of repentance that leads to the forgiveness of sins.

No one is "immersed" in the forgiveness of sins. God wipes the slate clean, and removes all guilt and forgives all sins and iniquity. We are "washed in the blood of the Lamb". And it is those who are thus forgiven who are totally immersed in water, in order to identify themselves with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Thus they are "raised to walk in newness of life". That is far deeper and more profound than merely a change of mind. The conversion of Saul of Tarsus is a good example. But baptism is not necessary for salvation. That is false doctrine.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. And no comes to the Father but by Him. The rebirth experience, of which baptism is a part, is only made possible because of Jesus' sacrifice. Obedience to the God-given command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus washes away one's personal sin because that is when individual's are buried with Him into His death as Paul stated in Romans 6:3-6. (Acts 22:16, 2:38)

Stick around brother. It gets worse.. you will be called all kinds of names because of your believe in the baptism of God which saved, not the baptism of some pastor..

I agree with you. I see the CJB version as saying that when we repent we are immersed into forgiveness of sins. Not immersed into water. I also believe metanoia simply means to have a change of mind. So, this essentially says change your mind and you will be immersed into forgiveness of sins. Not something someone has to go do, something that is automatically done to them. Just like we see here:

“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV

We are sealed in Him, or immersed into him, by the Holy Spirit when we hear the word and believe. I think Acts 2:38 and Ephesians 1:13 say exactly the same thing.

...The conversion of Saul of Tarsus is a good example. But baptism is not necessary for salvation. That is false doctrine.

This is a common misunderstanding. While metanoia literally means a change of mind, biblical repentance goes much further and much deeper.

It is a change of mind, will, heart, motives, goals, direction, lifestyle, etc. because God gives the sinner a new heart, a new mind, and a new spirit. He also gives the gift of the Holy Spirit in order to transform this person into the image of Christ. Therefore it is misleading to say it is merely "a change of mind". It includes godly sorrow for past sins, and a total turning away from sins and idols to worship and serve the living and true God and the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is this kind of repentance that leads to the forgiveness of sins.

No one is "immersed" in the forgiveness of sins. God wipes the slate clean, and removes all guilt and forgives all sins and iniquity. We are "washed in the blood of the Lamb". And it is those who are thus forgiven who are totally immersed in water, in order to identify themselves with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Thus they are "raised to walk in newness of life". That is far deeper and more profound than merely a change of mind. The conversion of Saul of Tarsus is a good example. But baptism is not necessary for salvation. That is false doctrine.

If someone comes to believe can we not say that their mind has changed?

God knows Paul needed cleansing. He held Stephens cloak while the crowd he incited stoned Stephen to death. Paul and Ananias would also be familiar with the Mikvah. Which did not bring the submerged into salvation.

Jesus ,as he said, is the water of everlasting life.

The teaching that God requires more than his personal bestowal of faith and grace to save a person is a teaching that will not be righted until God sees fit for its adherents.
L ord knows, cults have twisted scripture to mislead people to horrific acts.

Salvation not being true or secured without baptism is in comparison a relatively mild hurdle to overcome.
Not so much for those who taught it. As they answer to a stricter judgement. Especially in this matter of such importance as that which dares to say what God gifts needs emersion of his believers before they are truly his.
Nonsense!

My observation won't change those minds though.required baptism.

Please consider scriptures;



Only God.

Another hammer?

You just condemned my sister in law

You just condemned every OT believer who has not been baptised

You just condemned everyone who is not able to be immersed in water because of medical conditions

You just condemned everyone who has true saving faith in CHrist. But has not for whatever reason, been able to be baptized in water

There is no debate my friend. I am exposing the truth. the lie of a works based gospel.

Saving faith and heart repentance are two sides of the same coin. Peter said "Repent and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out".