Should you say, 'Homosexuality is a Sin.'

I've heard preachers preach on the sin of homosexuality. Some might even say homosexuals are going to Hell, gays are going to Hell, lesbians are going to Hell, etc.

When I grew up, the way 'homosexual', 'gay', etc. was used was to refer to people who did 'gay stuff'-- meaning sexual acts. So I thought.

It turns out based on the original meaning of the word and the way it is used in academia, a homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. Now suppose you are a young person and you've never done any 'gay stuff', but you found yourself attracted to the same sex. Then you go to church, and you hear someone preach that if you have same-sex attraction, you are a sinner and you are going to Hell.

The sins that homosexuals commit that are related to homosexuality are things like actually performing same-sex sexual acts, and looking with lust. Having attraction for the same sex is a bad thing to have to deal with. But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

Many of us men are attracted to beautiful women. Especially when we are/were young, a beautiful scantily clad woman might be a bit of an eye magnet for the flesh, but you can choose to avert your eyes and discipline your mind and not sin. There are ads on magazines and various other type of media. There is a difference between what we find attractive and the acts we commit. If a woman is attractive to a man, that doesn't mean he has committed fornication or adultery with her or that he has looked at her with lust.

And if a man struggles with same-sex attraction, that doesn't mean he constantly goes around sinning. At least with the Gen-Y and Gen-Z generations, and probably most of X now, and in academia, and certainly with LGBTI folks, in the US, 'gay', 'homosexual', and 'lesbian' refer to 'orientation'-- not what they do with their sex lives. Some Fundamentalists preachers who say 'Homosexuals are going to Hell' do no realize that what they are saying from the perspective of the listener is if you find yourself attracted to the same sex, even if you don't act on it, you are going to Hell. It sounds rather hopeless.

We do need to combat the ideas associated with 'orientation' that these types of inclinations or lusts are permanent problems. LBGT folks think of their sexual inclinations and propensities to be attracted as a big part of their identity. But the Bible tells Christians, to "reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11.)

Christian men who are attracted to women do not introduce themselves as "I am a Christian who has the propensity to fornicate with women", and so Christian men who struggle with same-sex attraction should not say, "I am a gay Christian." We should reckon ourselves dead to sin, and alive to God, and "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof."

Some people with same-sex attraction who become Christians may have to constantly struggle against it and overcome it for years, like some men have to tame their eyes. Others may be delivered from the temptation and not worry about it. Marriage between a man and a woman is a Biblical remedy for decreasing the propensity to be tempted by sexual lust.

I've heard preachers preach on the sin of homosexuality. Some might even say homosexuals are going to Hell, gays are going to Hell, lesbians are going to Hell, etc.

When I grew up, the way 'homosexual', 'gay', etc. was used was to refer to people who did 'gay stuff'-- meaning sexual acts. So I thought.

It turns out based on the original meaning of the word and the way it is used in academia, a homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. Now suppose you are a young person and you've never done any 'gay stuff', but you found yourself attracted to the same sex. Then you go to church, and you hear someone preach that if you have same-sex attraction, you are a sinner and you are going to Hell.

The sins that homosexuals commit that are related to homosexuality are things like actually performing same-sex sexual acts, and looking with lust. Having attraction for the same sex is a bad thing to have to deal with. But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

Many of us men are attracted to beautiful women. Especially when we are/were young, a beautiful scantily clad woman might be a bit of an eye magnet for the flesh, but you can choose to avert your eyes and discipline your mind and not sin. There are ads on magazines and various other type of media. There is a difference between what we find attractive and the acts we commit. If a woman is attractive to a man, that doesn't mean he has committed fornication or adultery with her or that he has looked at her with lust.

And if a man struggles with same-sex attraction, that doesn't mean he constantly goes around sinning. At least with the Gen-Y and Gen-Z generations, and probably most of X now, and in academia, and certainly with LGBTI folks, in the US, 'gay', 'homosexual', and 'lesbian' refer to 'orientation'-- not what they do with their sex lives. Some Fundamentalists preachers who say 'Homosexuals are going to Hell' do no realize that what they are saying from the perspective of the listener is if you find yourself attracted to the same sex, even if you don't act on it, you are going to Hell. It sounds rather hopeless.

We do need to combat the ideas associated with 'orientation' that these types of inclinations or lusts are permanent problems. LBGT folks think of their sexual inclinations and propensities to be attracted as a big part of their identity. But the Bible tells Christians, to "reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11.)

Christian men who are attracted to women do not introduce themselves as "I am a Christian who has the propensity to fornicate with women", and so Christian men who struggle with same-sex attraction should not say, "I am a gay Christian." We should reckon ourselves dead to sin, and alive to God, and "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof."

Some people with same-sex attraction who become Christians may have to constantly struggle against it and overcome it for years, like some men have to tame their eyes. Others may be delivered from the temptation and not worry about it. Marriage between a man and a woman is a Biblical remedy for decreasing the propensity to be tempted by sexual lust.

TV pastor Humanist Pro$perity go$pel speaker Joel Osteen is famous for not preaching directly against sins of any kind. Nor does he speak of the true Gospel. Sin,Repentance, Baptism.
At the end of his show he says if a viewer repeats this statement he made up they've accepted Christ. Then advises viewers get into a Bible believing church. [Unlike his own. His dad taught the same way.]

Sadly, there can be actual pastors who are more focused on not ''offending'' parishoners, rather than speaking the truth.

it is all sin, and God is offended by it. those who are attracted to the same sex have a perverted heart, and that heart offends God and if they don't repent YES hell will be their eternal home.

What would you say to a brand new believer who repents and wonders if he is going to Hell because he has the propensity to be attracted to a man. He's not looking at porn. He tries not to ogle or have gay fantasies. It's just that like a man can find a woman attractive, he could find a man attractive. Would you tell him that he is on the way to Hell? What advice would you give him, so that he doesn't go to Hell? If he tries really hard to repent (grunting like someone lifting weights and saying "I repent") but still finds some men attractive, do you think he will go to Hell?

From Romans 1 same-sex lust came into mankind through idolatry and being given over to various lusts. But for the individual who has experienced that, and it doesn't go away, are you saying he is condemned. Again, I am not talking about yielding to lust, but the propensity to be tempted in that way.

I cannot really relate to that. I cannot tell if a guy is good looking. There isn't anything appealing about a man in that way to me. I think a lot of men feel that way. But many of us can relate to the idea of a woman being pretty, being attractive, and there is the possibility to be tempted to stare, ogle or even worse. At least many of us could be _tempted_ in that area, if a man (or tree or dog, or whatever) is not an area of temptation. From that perspective we can relate.

Do you think it is a sin to see a woman and think she is pretty or attractive if she is not your own wife?

But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

I don't see how my post could have triggered a comment on Joel Osteen.

I think its important to highlight it as sin, its a more insidious sin...

What exactly is your point? All sinners -- including homosexuals -- are on their way to Hell. Until and unless they obey the Gospel and are saved by grace. So if a sexual pervert gets saved, he or she repents of their sins and turns away from them. Then the issue of "struggle" does not even arise. The Bible says "Sin shall NOT have dominion over you".

The very serious problem which the Western world is facing today -- particularly very young children and teenagers -- is the evil LBGTQ agenda to convert everyone into either a homosexual or a transgender person. They want a drag queen messing up kids in every Kindergarten. This is purely demonic evil, and should be called out and preached against.

The local lesbian pastorette 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩 at the local main street church calls it "an alternative lifestyle."


And this guy says he's pregnant.

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Thanks for the link Blues.
I had no idea this was posted until now.
I think this is fitting.

Is what the Bible calls Sodomy a temptation that's common?
Do any of you guys see a male model on the package of underwear when shopping and lust after that?

There's a local church that posts a sign in their front yard informing the public they are a sanctuary church for illegals.

Above the sign on the left side of their front double doors is a giant rainbow flag.

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Um, no. Rather, I think to myself, why am I here buying these for him again? When hubby could make the trip himself.

Get him back. Honey? Here's the shopping list for Walmart. Oh, stop and grab me a few pairs of thongs while you're at it. Any color is fine.

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[just keep the receipt 'cause I don't wear thongs.😜😁]

It can't be a sin if they're born with it.