In The Beginning

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Period. End of the story. God created the heaven and the earth. There was a period of time that passed between verses 1 and 2.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. He created it, and it was perfect. Our earth was at one time a plush and beautiful planet with no pollution or evil. Dinosaurs roamed our earth in its younger days and The sons of God all shouted for joy!

Job 38:1-7

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 40:15-24: Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

23Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

24He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

You tell me what you thank this is, and have you ever seen one. There should have been 2 of them on the Ark if they were alive then.



Scientists estimate our earth to be about 4.6 billion years old. The bible does not say WHEN God created the earth, but we do know that our earth is millions of years old because of the fossils and remains, such as the dinosaurs of prehistoric times, which have been found and documented. It is probably safe to sat that when He created the earth that then was, it was a very long time ago!

2nd Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Time mean nothing to God. Even though you can not see God, through faith and by studying His word, we can discover some of the mysteries of our world!

Something happened which caused that first world age to end, and, for this age,which we now live in, to begin. What or “WHO” could have caused such destruction.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

2nd Peter 3:3-7 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6.Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Verse 6: You just might be saying that was Noah's flood. Lets see what Gods word has to say about that.

Genesis 7:2-5 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.3Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.4For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.5And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

Verse 16. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. All flesh that included the other races other than Noah and his family for Noah and His family were perfect in there generations.

Jeremiah 4:25 English Standard Version
I looked, and behold, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled.
Berean Study Bible
I looked, and no man was left; all the birds of the air had fled.
King James Bible
I beheld, and, lo,there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

This is describing the end of the first earth age. That which ended at the end of Genesis 1:1. This in Jeremiah could not be the flood of Noah because there were people, birds, cattle ect. both clean and unclean animals on the ark.



Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

There was life left on earth after the flood or the Dove could not have brought back part of the olive tree.

Wow! That's a mighty small Bible ya gots there, mister!

Does.

We do know it is not.

Agreed. 6,000 years is a long time to me.

And obviously Bible mean nothing to Watch Man.

Flood. God. (I learned that from reading the Bible.)

And I would be right.

I have a sneaky suspicion that if we look at a little bit of context, we will find that Jeremiah is prophesying about the future, not the past.

Jeremiah 4
21How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
22For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
23I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

What exactly is your agenda?

Just what in the world are you guys talking about?
Is this another Young Earth Creationist thread?

Problem with scientific dating of the earth n such is that carbon dating is flawed science. One has to want to believe it to be true science in order for it to be truth.

We know that God is TRUTH. The Written Word of God is TRUTH! There have been many peoples, scientests n such who have tried to prove it false, yet, after all these years, they have failed to do so.

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Men Who Were Converted Trying To Disprove The Bible - DiscernIt

Simon Greenleaf, Royall Professor of Law at Harvard University, was one of the most celebrated legal minds in American history. His Treatise on the Law of Evidence “is still considered the greatest single authority on evidence in the entire literature of legal procedure.”

As a law professor, he determined to expose the “myth” of the resurrection of Christ once and for all, but his thorough examination forced him to conclude, instead, that Jesus did rise from the dead. In 1846 he published An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice.

Thus, one of the most celebrated minds in the legal profession of the past two centuries took the resurrection of Christ to trial, diligently examined the evidence, and judged it to be an established fact of history! And this was in spite of the fact that he began his investigation as a skeptic.

One of Greenleaf’s points is that nothing but the resurrection itself can explain the dramatic change in Christ’s disciples and their willingness to suffer and die for their testimony.

We do not know that the earth is millions of years old. No one knows how old the earth is because of one simple statement in Genesis 1 v 1. In the beginning, God created the heavens and earth. Now the earth was a formless void. There was darkness over the deep, and God's spirit hovered over the water.

No one and I mean no one knows how long the earth was a formless void. Anything they come up with is a guesstimate, nothing more and nothing less.

As for your 4.6 billion years old the latest guestimate is 14.3 billion.

Believe it or not, verse 1 is not a chapter unto itself. It has a context. To separate it from the rest of God's Word is illogical, irrational, and suggest an ulterior motive.

Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Every day of creation is referred to as evening and morning, and for good reason.

Let's not separate each verse from the next by 15 miles. (15 billion years).

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• Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

There are two primary kinds of Days in the first chapter of Genesis. One is a
creation day and the other is a natural day. It's very important to keep those
two kinds of days distinct and separate in our thinking because they are as
unalike as stones and gravel.

Natural days last only until the Sun goes down and night begins; whereas
creation days lasted for as long as the creator needed. In other words: the
evenings and mornings related to creation days aren't solar events. The
terms are merely index flags indicating the end of an unspecified period time
and the beginning of another.

And anyway; when you think about it; a strict chronology of evening and
morning doesn't define day, it defines overnight; viz: darkness. In order to
obtain a full 24-hour day, you'd have to define creation's first Day as a day
and a night rather than an evening and a morning.

Well; thus far Genesis defines Day as a time of light rather than a 24-hour
amalgam of light and dark; plus there was no Sun to cause physical
evenings and mornings till creation's fourth Day so we have to come at this
issue from another angle apart from physical properties.

According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.

However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent eras rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were.
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.
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We know that the dinosaurs did not exist and die prior to mankind being created. This truth is witnessed from the word. Death did not become a reality until after Adam and Eve were disobedient as referenced in Gen. 2:37. This proves man and dinosaurs coexisted prior to the flood of Noah.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen. 2:27

The fossils and remains, along with different soil deposits distributed throughout the world are easily explained. The flood of Noah's days brought this about. Although not specifically stated in the word, there is a good possibility that the lose of higher atmospheric pressure on the earth after the flood resulted in the dinosaurs becoming extinct. A really interesting teaching on this topic is available at:

All races originate from Adam and Eve and therefore through Noah's family members after the flood. A great publication explaining this principle is "One Blood: The Biblical Answer to Racism," by Ken Ham, Carl Wieland...1999"

The bible clears up some of your misconceptions:

1. No other human beings were in the ark with Noah and his family (eight people): See 1 Peter 3:30, "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. This number included Noah and his wife, three sons and their wives. (Gen. 6:18)


2. The scripture states Noah was perfect not his family members: "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. " (Gen. 6:9) But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. (Gen. 6:18)

The days of creation were called evenings and mornings for a reason. Can you guess what it is?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Since "Adam and Eve" were not babies when Created,
Then God Also "Created" the heavens and the earth with

What size would "today's lizard" be IF he "lived 969 years"???

Just what exactly have you been drinking, Mister Must?

Mainly tea and coffee because I am not allowed to drink alcohol because of some medication that I am taking at the moment.

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• Gen 1:27 . .God created man in His own image, in the image of God
created He him; male and female created He them.

As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God
created in His own image, viz: a fellow being blessed with immortality. The
animal kingdom was given nothing like it.

That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common
all around Adam by means of vegetation, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it
wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a
moment and define death for the man seeing as how it was doubtless a
common occurrence in Adam's everyday life.

He saw grasses spout. He saw them grow to maturity, bloom with flowers,
and produce seeds. He watched as they withered, became dry and brittle,
and then dissolve into nothing. Adam likely encountered fallen birds, and the
remains of animals dead on the ground like road kill. The animal kingdom's
mortality was doubtless at least one of the reasons why God created them in
swarms rather than solo specimens, i.e. so as to prevent them from going
extinct from die-off. In other words: the animal kingdom was expected to
lose numbers of its kind, whereas the man-- under normal circumstances --
wasn't expected to lose any numbers of his kind.

So I think we can be reasonably confident that the man was up to speed on
at least the natural aspects of death and fully understood that if he went
ahead and tasted the forbidden fruit that his body would lose its perpetual
youth and end up no more permanent than a grasshopper.
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The information you seek is located in post No.8
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God can do in one day what would take nature billions of years

science looks at it and says “ the Bible isn’t true “ now how did this randomly happen ? And how long would it have taken without a creator ?

to think we can prove what happened a million years ago let alone billions or how the universe randomly evolved over billions of years is just mans narcissism

gods work when we’re looking at it he’s done it all in six days , we’re looking at it after saying “ wow this must have taken billions of years to create itself “

but when my God speaks billions of years of work stands up in a moment who knows how old the universe is but the earth we have a relatively good idea

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Period. End of the story. God created the heaven and the earth. There was a period of time that passed between verses 1 and 2.

your having to imagine that part and insert your own thought there’s nothing to tell us or suggest that any time passes or that is even a sequential thought

it’s actually overlapping

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s a preview of what’s going to ne explained and the chapter break should actually end here

“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that should end genesis one and then This returns back to genesis one to give a closer look


“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew:

for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:4-7‬ ‭


consider that if God works a day , man is going to look at his days work and say wow that took a billion years but it doesn’t take God a billion years , it would take a billion without him