Losing salvation
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Everyone will agree we are living under the new covenant.
A covenant is like a contract. And there are 2 sides that accept the conditions of the contract.
Gods side is to save us completely, and God has not failed on any part.
Our human part is to surrender to God, let God rule completely, allow God to change our hearts.
We do not always do the right thing, we often make self the God of our lives and we break the covenant of salvation.
As soon as we come back to God He will renew the covenant with us again.
So lossing salvation is a result of us choosing to loss Christ. But praise God, He is long suffering, merciful, and will forgive our us.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
A covenant is like a contract. And there are 2 sides that accept the conditions of the contract.
Gods side is to save us completely, and God has not failed on any part.
Our human part is to surrender to God, let God rule completely, allow God to change our hearts.
We do not always do the right thing, we often make self the God of our lives and we break the covenant of salvation.
As soon as we come back to God He will renew the covenant with us again.
So lossing salvation is a result of us choosing to loss Christ. But praise God, He is long suffering, merciful, and will forgive our us.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Let the word of God speak. I posted Rev. 2:5 and you ignored it. Here it is again,
Revelation 2:5 (ESV) "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent."
2 Peter 2:20-22 (ESV) "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Hebrews 6:4–6 (ESV) "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt."
Revelation 2:5 (ESV) "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent."
2 Peter 2:20-22 (ESV) "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Hebrews 6:4–6 (ESV) "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt."
FreeGrace2 said:
It is not possible to lose salvation. There are many verses and passages that teach eternal security.
However, there 2 verses that when put together, prove that salvation cannot be lost.
John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Key points:
1. Those who hear and believe (the gospel) "has eternal life". This means POSSESSES eternal life. So, all who believe have it.
2. Believers "will not be judged"
3. Believers "have crossed over from (spiritual) death to (eternal) life.
John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Key points:
1. Jesus Christ is the Giver of the gift of eternal life.
2. The result of being given (possession) of eternal life is to "never perish".
3. The "no one" can be rendered "no person", so that even includes the believer him/herself.
So, eternal life is a present tense possession for those who believe.
Those who possess eternal life shall never perish.
Of course that is possible. But what Jesus said in John 10:28 is clear. Those given eternal life, which is by believing in Him for it, shall never perish.
The proper response when you feel that way is to confess your sins, ask God for the filling of the Spirit and get into the Word.
It is not possible to lose salvation. There are many verses and passages that teach eternal security.
However, there 2 verses that when put together, prove that salvation cannot be lost.
John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Key points:
1. Those who hear and believe (the gospel) "has eternal life". This means POSSESSES eternal life. So, all who believe have it.
2. Believers "will not be judged"
3. Believers "have crossed over from (spiritual) death to (eternal) life.
John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Key points:
1. Jesus Christ is the Giver of the gift of eternal life.
2. The result of being given (possession) of eternal life is to "never perish".
3. The "no one" can be rendered "no person", so that even includes the believer him/herself.
So, eternal life is a present tense possession for those who believe.
Those who possess eternal life shall never perish.
Of course that is possible. But what Jesus said in John 10:28 is clear. Those given eternal life, which is by believing in Him for it, shall never perish.
The proper response when you feel that way is to confess your sins, ask God for the filling of the Spirit and get into the Word.
None of these is written to the body of Christ. None. If so, once one is fallen away it is impossible to get back in. Do you believe that? This is written to the hmmmm Hebrews, the nation of Israel during the time of Jacob's trouble. If one falls away and takes the mark of the beast, it is impossible to undo that.
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Except....our part is simply to believe the promise of eternal life by believing in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ on your behalf.
Surrender is obedience and commanded of every believer. But that has nothing to do with our salvation.
This is not possible. John 10:28 won't permit such an action. There is NO WAY any believer can lose salvation. In fact, Jesus said that those given eternal life shall never perish.
Anyone who believes that salvation can be lost, doesn't believe Jesus in John 10:28.
Surrender is obedience and commanded of every believer. But that has nothing to do with our salvation.
This is not possible. John 10:28 won't permit such an action. There is NO WAY any believer can lose salvation. In fact, Jesus said that those given eternal life shall never perish.
Anyone who believes that salvation can be lost, doesn't believe Jesus in John 10:28.
Me too. Every day.
Salvation is a window of opportunity. Really stupid to staddle the windowpane and even try to jump in and out. Why a person would do that, I'll never know. Comes a time when God's Spirit will cease to strive with men, but if one desires to come home, then that's a sure sign that it's not too late.
Salvation is a window of opportunity. Really stupid to staddle the windowpane and even try to jump in and out. Why a person would do that, I'll never know. Comes a time when God's Spirit will cease to strive with men, but if one desires to come home, then that's a sure sign that it's not too late.
About a year ago while taking my dog out for her daily presurmise walk, I had an hallucinations. There was a fence,, actually more like a wall that I always pass. It is a thick wall, about a foot deep made of cinder block and mortar clad with a nice white finish. I saw part of it open up like a doorway. I still see it from time to time depending upon conditions.
I call it an hallucinations due to my vision condition.
At any rate,it reminded me of this verse because it was like an invitation to enter, and I thank the Father each morning for the Way He has given us in Jesus Yeshua.. I cannot say it is a vision, yet I feel very much touched and blessed when I do see it.
I call it an hallucinations due to my vision condition.
At any rate,it reminded me of this verse because it was like an invitation to enter, and I thank the Father each morning for the Way He has given us in Jesus Yeshua.. I cannot say it is a vision, yet I feel very much touched and blessed when I do see it.
You may not yet believe that Dispensationalists aren't actually Christian, but it's comments like the one that you are replying to that show that their hermeneutics are fragmented at best. They reject parts of the Christian Bible and claim that Christians should not take heed to parts of the Bible for the most absurd reasons, even if one is a Hebrew descendant.
They aren't even consistent within their own beliefs. Ask them whether Joel 1:1 means that the book of Joel was a dispensation specifically to Joel. They'll say no, which proves the point.
Christians shouldn't be troubled by what Dispensationalists have to say in the same way that Christians shouldn't be troubled by what any nonChristian has to say.
They aren't even consistent within their own beliefs. Ask them whether Joel 1:1 means that the book of Joel was a dispensation specifically to Joel. They'll say no, which proves the point.
Christians shouldn't be troubled by what Dispensationalists have to say in the same way that Christians shouldn't be troubled by what any nonChristian has to say.
Have you built an ark? Why not? Do you obey animal sacrifices? Why not? Do you stone adulterers? Why not? All scripture is written FOR us, but not all scripture is written TO us. Audience matters...
Why be so confident that everything written in the bible is directed to you? This is why we have so many false teachers. For example, the prosperity gospel. Taking what was promised blessings to Israel and applying it to the body of Christ. Or water baptism for the forgiveness of sins. And works based salvation teaching. I could go on and on...
Why be so confident that everything written in the bible is directed to you? This is why we have so many false teachers. For example, the prosperity gospel. Taking what was promised blessings to Israel and applying it to the body of Christ. Or water baptism for the forgiveness of sins. And works based salvation teaching. I could go on and on...