Losing salvation

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PennEd

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I feel like I walk away n turn away from him
I’m glad, but curious as to why you are here, and continually saying you are lost?

If you believe that, what’s the point of starting basically the same thread, with the same message?
 

Blade

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Not sure .. what should be said? Just some random guy on youtube talking about the sweet holy Spirit. Why are we listening to this guy? Seems very nice but...

Someone here talking about how they feel. We all over the years feel like this yet we walk by faith not sight not how we feel. If I walked by how I feel then man I am lost not saved God hates me.. He gave up on me haha yet all that is a lie. He is not like man nor is He a man. He loves you He never leaves you no matter what you do good or bad. If we goof up say sorry confess it and He is faithful and just to forgive you and cleans you from all unrighteousness. NOW no matter how you FEEL you trust HIM! He said He will forgive you so now you forgive your self. The devil is a liar
 
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pottersclay

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#46
What you have to figure out is this...are you under conviction or condemnation?

Conviction comes from God. It is not a rejection but a need to repent of something that God does not desire.
It could be a long drawn out issue that is between you and him. It can make you depressed, hurt, angry, but there is good news....if you feel convicted its the Holy Spirit and God only chasens the ones he loves.
In short you might be out back in the wood shed for a spell.

Now condemnation comes from our adversary the devil. He loves to rob all the joy and peace he can from the faithful.
To weaken them to the point of surrendering. He usally does this or tries to when he senses that God is going to use that saint for a need or purpose. Then again he will do it just to weaken stedfastness.

If you guided by emotions to determine your relationship with the Holy one of Israel then you have a lot to learn and a need to know the diffrence between faith and religion.

For while we were yet sinners christ died for us.
 
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#47
Have you built an ark? Why not? Do you obey animal sacrifices? Why not? Do you stone adulterers? Why not? All scripture is written FOR us, but not all scripture is written TO us. Audience matters...

Why be so confident that everything written in the bible is directed to you? This is why we have so many false teachers. For example, the prosperity gospel. Taking what was promised blessings to Israel and applying it to the body of Christ. Or water baptism for the forgiveness of sins. And works based salvation teaching. I could go on and on...
Here's a thought experiment for you.

If I don't have to build an ark because it was a specific commandment to Noah, does anyone have to follow provisions that were specifically commanded to Joel? Does anyone have to follow provisions that were specifically given to OT Jews that were under Moses if no one alive today is under the priesthood of Moses? Do I have to follow provisions that were specifically given to a particular church in a Roman territory that I was never part of? At what point do we observe a general application of provisions? At what point do we say "yes, this part of the Bible applies to me" if everything is perceived as a dispensation to a target group?

Is it the Dispensationalist opinion that Christians should be following the Marcionian Bible? Is the Dispensationalist opinion that no Christian should follow any part of the Bible because each letter, epistle, or writing had an audience? Are the letters to Timothy just for Timothy?

At what point do we say, "yes, this applies to you"? In the Dispensationalist opinion, should Christians just throw out their Bibles because "none of it pertains to them"? I'm sure Dispensationalists would enjoy that.

If my parents gave me a Bible in my youth and stated "this is a message from God unto you", is that not a dispensation from God through my parents? Who are you, a stranger, to say otherwise? Who are you to break down exactly which books you think should apply to me or not? Who are you to tell me what God has dispensed specifically to me? Who do you think you are?

Taking what was promised blessings to Israel and applying it to the body of Christ.
Why would I take advice from people that openly reject Gal 3:16? Who are you to reject the word of God? Who are you to encourage other people to reject the word of God?

Get thee behind me, Satan.
 

John146

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Jan 13, 2016
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#48
Here's a thought experiment for you.

If I don't have to build an ark because it was a specific commandment to Noah, does anyone have to follow provisions that were specifically commanded to Joel? Does anyone have to follow provisions that were specifically given to OT Jews that were under Moses if no one alive today is under the priesthood of Moses? Do I have to follow provisions that were specifically given to a particular church in a Roman territory that I was never part of? At what point do we observe a general application of provisions? At what point do we say "yes, this part of the Bible applies to me" if everything is perceived as a dispensation to a target group?

Is it the Dispensationalist opinion that Christians should be following the Marcionian Bible? Is the Dispensationalist opinion that no Christian should follow any part of the Bible because each letter, epistle, or writing had an audience? Are the letters to Timothy just for Timothy?

At what point do we say, "yes, this applies to you"? In the Dispensationalist opinion, should Christians just throw out their Bibles because "none of it pertains to them"? I'm sure Dispensationalists would enjoy that.

If my parents gave me a Bible in my youth and stated "this is a message from God unto you", is that not a dispensation from God through my parents? Who are you, a stranger, to say otherwise? Who are you to break down exactly which books you think should apply to me or not? Who are you to tell me what God has dispensed specifically to me? Who do you think you are?



Why would I take advice from people that openly reject Gal 3:16? Who are you to reject the word of God? Who are you to encourage other people to reject the word of God?

Get thee behind me, Satan.
The believers in Rome are part of the same body of Christ as we are. Directions to them are directions to us. Over and over the Bible instructs the body to follow Paul and the revelations that were given to him by our Lord.

If a father was away on business and wrote letters to his wife and two children, each of those letters would be different, but the same author. He may tell his son to mow the yard. He may instruct his daughter to help with the laundry. The daughter would be mistaken to read the sons letter and think she needs to mow the yard.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
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#49
Here's a thought experiment for you.

If I don't have to build an ark because it was a specific commandment to Noah, does anyone have to follow provisions that were specifically commanded to Joel? Does anyone have to follow provisions that were specifically given to OT Jews that were under Moses if no one alive today is under the priesthood of Moses? Do I have to follow provisions that were specifically given to a particular church in a Roman territory that I was never part of? At what point do we observe a general application of provisions? At what point do we say "yes, this part of the Bible applies to me" if everything is perceived as a dispensation to a target group?

Is it the Dispensationalist opinion that Christians should be following the Marcionian Bible? Is the Dispensationalist opinion that no Christian should follow any part of the Bible because each letter, epistle, or writing had an audience? Are the letters to Timothy just for Timothy?

At what point do we say, "yes, this applies to you"? In the Dispensationalist opinion, should Christians just throw out their Bibles because "none of it pertains to them"? I'm sure Dispensationalists would enjoy that.

If my parents gave me a Bible in my youth and stated "this is a message from God unto you", is that not a dispensation from God through my parents? Who are you, a stranger, to say otherwise? Who are you to break down exactly which books you think should apply to me or not? Who are you to tell me what God has dispensed specifically to me? Who do you think you are?



Why would I take advice from people that openly reject Gal 3:16? Who are you to reject the word of God? Who are you to encourage other people to reject the word of God?

Get thee behind me, Satan.
Keep reading…the faith of Christ was not even available to those OT saints. They lived under the law and were to follow it.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.