BELIEFS ABOUT THE KJV

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

oyster67

Senior Member
May 24, 2014
11,887
8,705
113
I believe that every word of the KJV is the word of truth. Obviously, there are different people speaking even lies…but that’s part of the word of truth.
I know where you're coming from. (y)

2 Timothy 3:16

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
That is a put down which is also false. .....
. Indeed they claimed that the English language was molded by the KJB! Hollywood quoted exclusively from this Bible in its films, and even the Jewish Publication Society (JPS) originally used the OT translation of the KJB for its own publication, called the JPS Tanakh (1917). Here is what they said in their Preface "...We are, it is hardly needful to say, deeply grateful for the works of our non-Jewish predecessors, such as the Authorised Version with its admirable diction, which can never be surpassed..." That speaks for itself.

I rarely watch movies, but this one is what my Dad and I saw together before he left.
Denzel Washington's character brought a mysterious Book across the country on foot. It was revealed at the end what it was.
Warner Bros, if I remember correctly, did not want the film released with the christian influences. That's when Denzel decided to become the controlling producer to change the script to reflect his Christian views.
It's not a movie that's going to be featured in any Christian listing, but it brought me to tears for what Denzel decided to add to the story.
(Spoiler alert....last scene)
 

Dirtman

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2022
1,151
441
83
I like KJV. I don't know enough about the others to say much, but I know that good men of God use versions other than KJV, without encountering major doctrinal problems due strictly to their version choice. As many KJVers have doctrinal misunderstandings as anyone else, it seems.
There is a pearl of wisdom from that oyster.
 

fredoheaven

Senior Member
Nov 17, 2015
4,110
960
113
No i asked you a very direct question you failed to realize what was being asked.

Beckie said:
Do you believe every word in the KJB are God's Holy Words ?

John146 said:
Absolutely, without a doubt.
holy in the sense, that they were recorded as it is (whole) or holy being free from error.
 

fredoheaven

Senior Member
Nov 17, 2015
4,110
960
113
On Preservation of the words of God

Isah. 59:21b "...and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever."

His words shall not depart. They are said to be forever.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
Any real KJVO would certainly agree with you with that statement above. KJV scholars were not inspired!
There is only one small fringe group I have ever heard of who believe that, so I agree with you both on that point.

Although they were not inspired, the 54 scholars who were the translators on the KJ Holy Bible committee far exceeded the lot I've heard tear it down in my lifetime. That goes for common taters 🥔🍠...
former pastors and their fellowship leaders.
I can't forget James White.

It looks like you and a couple others might be interested in the work of a Vaticanus scholar & paleographer. He says something revealing from 5:50-+...

 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
If there was no conspiracy, why would these people attack and denigrate the KJV in order to exalt their corrupt translations?

All they had to do is say "Although there is absolutely nothing wrong with the King James Bible, we wish to introduce a modern translation based on corrupt ancient manuscripts, so that you can compare the differences". That would be the honest truth, and hardly anyone would bother with these new bibles.
You might be interested in the Pro Vaticanus experts comment about it's age. It is claimed to go back to the 4th century, but LOOKS like a 15th century document.. He then explained why. Most of the video is helpful, but the comment on that is after the 5:50 mark.

 

Amanuensis

Well-known member
Jun 12, 2021
1,457
460
83
I'm not getting my truth from google. I'll stick with my kjv. Every word is pure.
The KJV does not name the 5800 manuscripts and fragments in extant. (Nor did the KJV scholars have access to all of them) You will have to do some research to discover them and then you will need to learn Greek to read them. About 3 years of NT Greek will enable you to read them for yourself. And you can then know what they say. Googling it will set you on the path to find images of them to look at.
 

Amanuensis

Well-known member
Jun 12, 2021
1,457
460
83
Frankly after all that I have learned in the past 4 years about translations I have to put KJVO folks in the same boat as antivaxxers and moon landing deniers.
 

Amanuensis

Well-known member
Jun 12, 2021
1,457
460
83
I believe that every word of the KJV is the word of truth. Obviously, there are different people speaking even lies…but that’s part of the word of truth.
Even 'candlesticks?"
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,487
13,793
113
It's not about the poor...that's for sure...the "thou shall keep them" is concerning the words of God.
That's your opinion, I disagree, and that's not my point anyway.

"Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

"Thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever."

Preserve FROM THIS GENERATION.

They (whether words or people) have been preserved FROM a wicked generation.

The verse does NOT say that "God has preserved His words"... no matter how much you want it to say that. I honestly believe that you are unable to see or comprehend the three words I have bolded, because they completely undermine your position.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,487
13,793
113
Even 'candlesticks?"
And even where the word gives two different ages for Ahaziah when he started his reign.

2 Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2 Chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

Certain KJVo's hold to some convoluted two-step of an explanation that treats the plain text like a puzzle to be solved instead of clear evidence of contradiction... and therefore of imperfection.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,487
13,793
113
Even 'candlesticks?"
And "farthing" apparently, which also did not exist in 1st century Palestine (credit to PostHuman for pointing this one out). See Matthew 5:26, 10:29; Mark 12:42, or Luke 12:6.
 

oyster67

Senior Member
May 24, 2014
11,887
8,705
113
And I am sure he would not appreciate such familiarity.

Pretty sure he will, if he makes it there.

Only One King in Heaven, and His name isn't James.

Actually, you completely misinterpreted what I said, so all this is moot anyway. I was demonstrating how foolish it was to attack the KJV, but if throwing me under the train furthers your cause, ...whatever.

Nothing personal. Let's get back on focus now.
 

fredoheaven

Senior Member
Nov 17, 2015
4,110
960
113
There is only one small fringe group I have ever heard of who believe that, so I agree with you both on that point.

Although they were not inspired, the 54 scholars who were the translators on the KJ Holy Bible committee far exceeded the lot I've heard tear it down in my lifetime. That goes for common taters 🥔🍠...
former pastors and their fellowship leaders.
I can't forget James White.

It looks like you and a couple others might be interested in the work of a Vaticanus scholar & paleographer. He says something revealing from 5:50-+...

Wow, amazing! Thank you for this.
 

Dirtman

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2022
1,151
441
83
This is not about king Jimmy. And I am sure he would not appreciate such familiarity.
I'm sure that if he is saved and is with Christ now. He knows he is a wretched sinner and if he were aware of any mention of his earthly works, he knows that they are but filthy rags and would shed many tears in sorrow. And Jesus would wipe them away saying ," I turned your wretched works to be for the good of my people, so rest easy in me". Or something to that affect.