First thing out of the gate I am not here to judge you, your church your doctrine.
I will be going over certain doctrines and beliefs and giving my reasons from the bible why I do or do not believe them. I can be hard headed at times I am working on this if I come across pushy or over barring I am sorry let me know. What I am looking for in your thread is interaction and an open exchange of ideas. I will always try and come from the bible only; Not with this man or that man or I said or thank. The only thing I ask is that if you disagree please show me where I have misread or misunderstood, or may be just ingredient (not stupid, but unlearned, without understand of a thing or subject) on a subject.
The traditions of men make void the word of God.
Mark 7:13 in several different translations of the bible makes this point clear.
New International Version
Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
New Living Translation
And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”
English Standard Version
thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
Berean Study Bible
Thus you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And you do so in many such matters.”
Berean Literal Bible
making void the word of God for your tradition, which you have handed down. And you do many
things like such."
King James Bible
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Lets start with some things I thank we can all agree upon and is a fundamental belief for all Christians
# 1.The Trinity: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit the 3 in one.
#2.Jesus is the only begotten son of God, the only virgin birth.
#4 All scripture is inspired by God
#5 We must be born again to enter the kingdom of God.
#6.Jesus died on the cross and shed His blood for our sins; and it is only throw Him that we have forgiveness.
Here is where we come into one of the sticky points. I do not believe in eternal security.
Romans 2:25
Berean Study Bible
God presented Him as the atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand.
Berean Literal Bible
whom God set forth as a propitiation through faith in His blood, for a showing forth of His righteousness, because of the forbearance of the sins having taken place beforehand,
King James Bible
Whom God hath set forth
to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Sins past. If I go out and today and sin knowingly or unknowingly in order to have it blotted out of the book of life I have to ask for forgiveness. Am I saying 1 unforgiven sin and you are condemned no, but if you let then add up.
#7. The resurrection of the dead.
The church I know of which is not all of them by any means believe that when we die the body and soul go into the ground and when Jesus returns both go to heaven.
I do not believe the bible say that; I believe and the bible makes clear that when you die the body returns to the earth and the soul returns to God.
Genesis 3:19
English Standard Version
By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
Berean Study Bible
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground—because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”
King James Bible
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Ecclesiastes 12:6
English Standard Version
before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is shattered at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern,
Berean Study Bible
Remember Him before the silver cord is snapped and the golden bowl is crushed, before the pitcher is shattered at the spring and the wheel is broken at the well,
King James Bible
Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Verse 7
English Standard Version
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Berean Study Bible
before the dust returns to the ground from which it came and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
King James Bible
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
1st Corinthians 15:35-50
The Resurrection Body
35But some
man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other
grain:
38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39All flesh
is not the same flesh: but
there is one
kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes,
and another of birds.
40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial
is one, and the
glory of the terrestrial
is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for
one star differeth from
another star in glory.
42So also
is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam
was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that
was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man
is of the earth, earthy: the second man
is the Lord from heaven.
48As
is the earthy, such
are they also that are earthy: and as
is the heavenly, such
are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Where O Death is Your Victory?
(Isaiah 57:1-2)
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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