Who wrote the book of Hebrews?

Right and you possibly are not wrong. With translation it’s kind of a puzzle anyway. I’m not sure a Greek expert could definitively tell us what the intention of the author was because it’s interpretive based on the translators bias. I’ve found bias in the English translations before so it’s not impossible what you’re saying.

The Jews where like sheep without a shephard (Num 27:17; Ps23; Matt 9:36.
But also the one true shephard had come for those also not this fold (cf John 10; Rev 7:17).

The Messiah, that is, the Christ came to his own first. Born of a woman and born under the law. God takes on flesh, born into Jewish lineage and that from the line of David. The Messiah/ Christ is indeed their King. The Christ proved he was their Messiah by power and authority (his miracles and teaching).

However, he was not the expected political King, who would defeat the pagan nations with military and political might. No, he was the King who would lead the captives of this world to liberty through suffering. The suffering servant.. This Jesus was teaching his disciples slowly as they could not quite grasp what Jesus was teaching them. That is until the suffering servant Messiah, rose in power conquering death.. Now he reigns in power over his kingdom. And will return one day as judge.

Jesus taught that, following his teachings is following the will of God. As his ministry is the fulfilment of the law (his person and work). And those who believe in him and repent will believe that he is not only the suffering servant but the risen King. Those who followed him were the actual first witness to this climatic fact in redemptive history.

The apostles including Paul were delegated messianic authority to take this good news into all the world. This authority is from Christ himself as witness's to the one true gospel.

Remember that the 4 gospel accounts that we have were written long after the event, possibly Mark 25 years after the event. And written after Paul's first letters to the churches Paul had started with the gospel message he preached.

Paul's letters present to us not a biography of silorts of Jesus life but expounds and explicates the message. And also answering questions regarding problems within those same churches, therefore we'll needed by us.

One of Paul's main points is that Jew and gentile are now one.. In fact he is exasperated at those Christians who want to rebuild was torn down.. The wall of hostility between jew and gentile. Paul taught against the very thing that hyper dispensationalists are try to rebuild. A divide between jew and gentile.

We are all one in Christ through believing in Him and what he taught and what he did (his person and work)

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28).

--I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed


--To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours - 1 Cor 1:2.

Are you really trying to say Jesus is accursed, because he taught a different gospel than Paul, remember Paul's habit was to go to the Jews first -

--As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures Acts 17:2.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

If you believe Paul taught a different gospel than Jesus, then I'm only telling you what Paul says on the matter.

But the truth of the matter is that there is only one gospel. Jesus taught it, and all the Apostles taught it. And through the Apostles etc we have all that we need in matters of faith in scripture. (all of it)

What words of Paul describe the gospel he taught? Specifically? 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

That's good now you see Paul taught as Peter taught 👍

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. 1 Cor 15:3-4.



For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 1 Peter 3:18.

And

(starting in Jerusalem, the Great commission)

Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. -____

_____God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. ___

____Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2.

“My point is, as a Christian after the cross, we need to recognize where in the Bible are the directions TO us.”

yeah the thing is you won’t accept what’s for us


“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what Jesus Christ commanded his disciples is eternal that’s what makes a “Christian “ they are disciples of Jesus Christ but we’ve discussed it before you aren’t willing to accept the doctrine that’s sent to all nations it’s the gospel that Christ preached the only gospel that exists.

I understand the hypergrace doctrine and the “ after the cross church age “ ideas it’s all erroneous is the thing there is one gospel that Jesus preached Rey to israel and then sent them to preach to the world

paul can’t save anyone he’s merely a servant and witness that the gospel is true the bottom line is the gospel the word of God not the epistles of oil that are witnessing it’s true but the actual word of God that he spoke from his mouth while he lived among mankind

what we’re meant to believe is the gospel of Jesus Christ but many my do that they invent ideas of why we’re supposed to avoid the things Jesus the lord actually taught believers


If your a Christian it means you are a disciple of Jesus But let me ask you re you able to accept what Paul says in his letters ? So for instance do you believe this ?

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that last line there that means god isn’t going to offer you anything he didn’t offer the Jews when he walked among them they were first given the gospel and then they brought it to us same gospel for Jew and gentile
I already understand you won’t actually address this one example but will go in a circle to avoid it but since your endorsing what Paul taught is that true ?

re Jews and gentiles going to be judged the exact same way according to thier deeds ? And is that going to determine whether they receive eternal life ? Or wrath ?

Again please don’t go for an unrelated grace verse but Paul’s explaination of judgement that he wrote to the church at rome is that true ?

right everything your saying is coming from your own thinking and not scriptire that’s why we aren’t agreeing . We aren’t supposed to change what is there we’re supposed to accept it and believe

Here’s the thing you could really benefit from we all can if we accept it

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what Jesus was in the gospel when he was among mankind is forever and what he said is forever he will not change based on who we are

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel that Jesus was sent into the world to preach to Jews is the new testsment whether one is a former Jew or gentile it’s the exact same for either tone can belong to God but they have to accept the gospel it’s not different in any way they are saved by the same word we are his demeanor is what’s written down for a believer

God speaks differently to a believer than he does a non believer he does not speak differently if a person is born of Israeli blood or gentile blood.

both Jew and gentile can be saved through the grace of Jesus Christ found when we accept the gospel

“But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we ( Jews ) shall be saved, even as they.”( gentiles )
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:11‬ ‭

What God has said to gentiles is what he said to Jews in the gospel the dementor isn’t dofferent it’s the same gospel we have to believe Matthew mark Luke and John that’s the gospel just like they had to believe

Jesus doesn’t change in any way from the gospel he doesn’t recognize a Jew or gentile but recognizes believers and non believers ofnthe gospel he sent out for salvation for every creature

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


No one can be saved by other way and being Jew or gentile has no bearing on salvstion it’s a matter of faith hearing the truth and believing

We don't agree because we are talking about 2 different things. I do agree with scripture. You are talking about the substance of scripture and I'm talking about its audience.
Appreciate you taking the time to gather scripture and explain them. I don't disagree with what is written.
Sometimes it's better to try to understand a particular point as intended and not as you wish it to be.

As far as these being my own thoughts I merely compared scripture with scripture and drew a couple of conclusions.

We don't agree because we are talking about 2 different things. I do agree with scripture. You are talking about the substance of scripture and I'm talking about its audience.”

You mean all believers who hear it ? I don’t think we’re disagreeing there I think your making a distinction between a Jew and gentile which doesn’t exist in Christ

I’m simply saying nd just asking you to consider this

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So far Jesus is saying I’m only sent to preach the gospel of the kingdom to Israel later on he says this to his disciples

“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:5-6‬ ‭

Ok so this appears the gospe Jesus preached is only for Israel

now after this happens Jesus says this to them

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; ( gentiles ) and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the. After israel rejected Jesus he commands then this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see what I’m saying ? The doctrine doesn’t change based on the audience the audience for the same doctrine is expanded it was first preached in Israel , they rejected and crucified him , there was a small remnant ofnisrael that believed in him

that remnant was sent out tomoresch the same gospel they received to everyone jew and also gentile

it’s that your not understanding what I’m saying

gentiles don’t receive a different gospel , or dofferent word , they are called into the same gospel you know Matthew mark Luke and John ? Those were preached and published throughout thy whole regions from the day of pentocost

the epistles don’t change any doctrine they are explaining things Jesus didn’t explain but spoke forth

my simple point is what Jesus said to a Jewish man like Peter when he came preaching the truth from God , that’s for everyone gentiles we’re added into the audience the doctrine for any one man is thy same for another man

some hear and believe like Peter John Paul and others hear and reject like many Jews did the. And still do and many gentiles didn’t try. And still do

see the audience is just any believer when they hear the gospels witness remember this ?

“this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; ( gentiles ) and then shall the end come.”


“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, ( Jew and gentile ) preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you hear and believe your here

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But if you hear and don’t believe it leaves us here

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

if a person is a former Jew or former gentile does t matter anymore . If a person believes or rejects the gospel is what matters now

it makes us Abraham’s children of promise if we believe whether a Jew or gentile but if we reject the gospel it leaves us hearing that other terrible word

o think it’s hat your identifying Jew and gentile as seperate audiences I’m saying the seperate audiences are believers and non believers with race having nothing to do with it God does t see what color we are ether we are born of a Jewish woman or gentile he sees if we believe or not

The Bible uses the analogies of milk, meat, babes, and mature. There’s a different approach depending on who is being addressed.

Just because you think I'm making that distinction doesn't make it so. I've stated to you that I'm not. You don't have to accept that but you are doing exactly what you accused me of---employing my own thoughts. In essence you are calling me a liar based on your assumptions.

no I haven’t called you a liar at all haven’t even suggested it I’m thinking your wrong is all

listen though you seem upset . I’m this forum there are always some dosagreements how we deal with dosagreements is up to us . I didn’t intend any offense but discussion and yes I do disagree with some of what your saying but no I’m not insulting or calling you a liar thy ata something your perceiving yourself

since you seem upset I’ll just move on , sincerely apologize if I offended you it was not my intention in any way I was just trying to get something through to you and also some others in this thread but we don’t always have to agree sometimes letting it go , causes it to sink in later

God bless to be clear I don’t think your a liar or that you’ve done anything wrong , I just think sometimes oir ears aren’t prepared to hear when we think something strongly enough

yes amen not Jew and gentile but maturity in christ is the difference

that was my point all along jew and gentile is nothing infancy and maturity in Christ is what determines our capacity to hear and grow

You misunderstood. I'm not upset in the least or offended in any way
I understand your point. And I agree.
I'm pointing out that you don't even know what my point is.
I've told you repeatedly that your assumption concerning my point is wrong and so your understanding is wrong. Not concerning the truth you have shared but in even addressing my point to begin with.

yeah the thing is if you go back to where you started with me look at what the subject is ? The subject is Jew and gentile then you came explaining the different audiences ect

I still sort of don’t really see your point honestly I guess , but the discussion I was involved in was about the book of Hebrews which you responded to talking about different audiences so I suppose something got crossed somewhere

no offense intended or anything though I know that part lol

God bless I’m gonna move on from this thread pretty much said what I had to say.

Grace and peace

Since Paul was addressing all Hebrew Christians regardless of which church they were in, it was quite appropriate for Hebrews to be written the way it was. The first thing to understand is that God the Holy Spirit is the Author and Paul is merely "the scribe". So this book originated with God, and there is more than enough internal evidence to prove that Paul is the writer.

But as in everything else, Satan loves to have Christians in conflict about everything, so he slyly introduces doubts about all of Scripture. He says that Moses did not write the Torah, Daniel did not write Daniel, Job did not write Job, Paul did not write Hebrews, and on and on it goes, with the so-called scholars pretending that they know more than God.