Once saved always saved?

Are you aware that you just called Jesus Christ a heretic?? What in the world is wrong with you?

John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

This verse CAN'T be misunderstood. So, those who do misunderstand it don't want to believe the clear message.

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.

Should is a Very Key Word In God's Truth, Correct? ie:

"For we Are HIS Workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. " (Eph 2:10)

When some Do Not DO as they should, their actions/behaviour does not
Nullify The Truth of Eph 2:8-9, Correct? Nor These 12 Dozen Passages?:

God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
God's Eternal Assurance
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On Judgment Day! = The "saved" Not doing what they should:

"If any man's work shall be burned, he Shall Suffer LOSS:
but he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire. " (1Co 3:15), Correct?
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided.

GRACE And Peace...

In this case, this person never really believed the gospel. The closest he got was "I BET this is true". Of course it's true that anyone who places their trust alone in Christ's work alone will be saved eternally. But did this idiot? Apparently not.

So, he can agree that the gospel message is true and yet, NOT believe it. iow, until he actually believes in Jesus Christ for salvation, he won't get it.

The answer is clearly stated in the Bible. The only issue is whether a person will believe what Jesus said. Your idiot example did not believe.

NEVER PERISH. NEVER PERISH. NEVER PERISH. NEVER PERISH. NEVER PERISH.

It is people who don't understand or maybe even hate the idea of GRACE that will fight this.

I called Jesus Christ no such thing.

He said nobody can snatch anybody out of his hand, but he did not say that nobody could walk away of their own volition.

Anyhow, if you're teaching "OSAS", then I'll tell YOU plainly that you're a heretic.

Jesus gave us the Lord's Prayer.
within this Prayer, we are to ask for forgiveness and to FORGIVE those who've sinned against us.

so are you saying if a person does not forgive others, and the Father won't forgive their sins until they forgive others, He's still granting them Salvation?

You cannot be a follower of Saul Tarsus and Jesus Christ at the same time.

Paul and Jesus preached diametrically opposed messages.

Paul’s letters are in the Bible to record how crafty the devil can be. Even John calls him the antichrist and Peter noted how difficult his message is to understand.

Please note that you are quoting Paul to justify your position. Paul never met Jesus nor learned from him.

Try studying Jesus’ teachings or Peter’s or James’ or John - disciples who actually learned at the feet of Jesus

Would you say, then, that those who evangelise (eg - on the street) are often deficient in expressing the need for stating the need for (adherence to the cause of Christ) in the way you described it?

In my experience, it's usually presented as "believe you are a sinner and Jesus died and paid the penalty for your sin and you'll be saved." - which, unless I'm missing something, leaves out a lot.

Apparently you are just showing off your extreme delusions now.

Read Acts 9 where Paul met the Lord on the road to Damascus. But that would mean you'd have to read the Bible, which you clearly haven't done.


Try reading the Bible yourself. You don't have a clue.

Paul never met Jesus nor learned from him.

1) How did "Paul Get Saved"? By not "meeting The LORD Jesus Christ"?:

[Saul, v1]
Act 9:4 "And he fell to the earth, and heard A Voice Saying unto him,
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art Thou, LORD? And The LORD Said, I AM Jesus
Whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."

2) Paul did not "learn" The Revelation Of The Mystery, From

Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the Grace of God which is
Given me to you-ward:
Eph 3:3 How that By Revelation HE Made Known Unto me The Mystery;
(as I wrote afore in few words,

3) Precious friend, do you have a Different BIBLE than the rest of us?

GRACE, Peace, And JOY...

I'm not sure what you are asking here. Are you saying that there is a "need for adherence to the cause of Christ" to be saved? Where do you read that in the Bible? I've never seen that.


Let's just get to the point. What do you think a person needs to do to go to heaven?

I'm not totally happy with that phrase I used, but I was trying to accurately represent some posters' belief of what needs to be saved - ie - not just believe in the sense I've often mentioned (simply believing that Jesus is the Savior and died for people's sins), but something more. I don't seem to be able to get quite what it is people are saying - I may be missing something obvious to others.
I don't know if my phrase is an accurate definition of their stance, but it seems to sum up the idea.
As for your later question - I DON'T KNOW. That's the point of my asking. But, whatever the answer, it seems there's a dangerous lack of clarity, inconsistency and general confusion in the world of evangelism generally.

Paul met Jesus in a wilderness on the road to Damascus? Was that Jesus’ second coming?

Or, did Jesus warn us about people who comes to tell you about His private appearances as in Matt 24:26

I'm not totally happy with that phrase I used, but I was trying to accurately represent some posters' belief of what needs to be saved - ie - not just believe in the sense I've often mentioned (simply believing that Jesus is the Savior and died for people's sins), but something more. I don't seem to be able to get quite what it is people are saying - I may be missing something obvious to others.
I don't know if my phrase is an accurate definition of their stance, but it seems to sum up the idea.
As for your later question - I DON'T KNOW. That's the point of my asking. But, whatever the answer, it seems there's a dangerous lack of clarity, inconsistency and general confusion in the world of evangelism generally.

I'm not totally happy with that phrase I used, but I was trying to accurately represent some posters' belief of what needs to be saved - ie - not just believe in the sense I've often mentioned (simply believing that Jesus is the Savior and died for people's sins), but something more. I don't seem to be able to get quite what it is people are saying - I may be missing something obvious to others.
I don't know if my phrase is an accurate definition of their stance, but it seems to sum up the idea.

As for your later question - I DON'T KNOW. That's the point of my asking. But, whatever the answer, it seems there's a dangerous lack of clarity, inconsistency and general confusion in the world of evangelism generally.

Andrew i don’t agree with much of what is said in this topic but why would you use the word Dangerous?
Suppose someone is wrong. Why would that be dangerous?

Andrew i don’t agree with much of what is said in this topic but why would you use the word Dangerous?
Suppose someone is wrong. Why would that be dangerous?

It could be extremely dangerous if someone is taught by someone evangelising, that all someone has to do to be saved is believe (as in the sense of common parlance) that Jesus is the Savior and died for the sins of the world, if (and I emphasise "if") more is actually required. Such a person may lose out on salvation and be damned eternally.

OK, you were just trying to convey what other posters seem to think then?


Satan has been having a real field day deceiving and confusing believers. That is Satan's mission; to confuse people so that they do not know how to be saved.

The Bible mentions "faith" a lot. And we have the phrase "saving faith". So, what is it, exactly? That certainly is the question.

How can anyone share their faith in the hope of leading someone to "saving faith" if they don't even know how to be saved?

Recall the jailer's question to Paul: "what MUST I DO to be saved?" Real clear question.

Paul's answer: "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you WILL BE saved".

So, the only question left is what Paul meant by his answer.

The Greek word for "believe" means to trust. Have full confidence in. And that's all it means. Lots of preachers, etc add things like commitment, etc, all of which adds up to human effort, which is unbiblical.

So, what are we trusting Jesus Christ FOR? Obviously, our salvation. We trust Him to save us from the LOF. How does Jesus save us? First, He had to pay the sin penalty for everyone, so that "whosoever" believes in Him will not perish.

Last question: who is the Lord Jesus Christ, specifically? Just some itinerant teacher?

Let's break down the 3 words that describe what Paul meant.

Lord - full Deity. He is the Son of God, no less.
Jesus - full humanity. He was born in the line of David.
Christ - the Annointed One, or Savior.

So, a person will be saved IF they put their full trust alone in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, for their sins personally for their salvation.

No, the Second Coming will occur at the end of the Tribulation, when Jesus ends the battle of Armageddon.


What kind of ridiculous question is this?

Your horrible hang up with Paul is disgusting. He wrote more of the NT than any other author. And all you do is diss him. That is shameful.