The Didache - early Christian condemnation of abortion etc.

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Dear Friends, what are thoughts on the Didache, an early Christian post-Biblical writing?

Wiki has this on the book: "The Didache (/ˈdɪdəkeɪ, -ki/; Greek: Διδαχή, translit. Didakhé, lit. "Teaching"),[1] also known as The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations (Διδαχὴ Κυρίου διὰ τῶν δώδεκα ἀποστόλων τοῖς ἔθνεσιν), is a brief anonymous early Christian treatise written in Koine Greek, dated by modern scholars to the first[2] or (less commonly) second century AD.[3] The first line of this treatise is "The teaching of the Lord to the Gentiles (or Nations) by the twelve apostles" ... The Didache is considered part of the group of second-generation Christian writings known as the Apostolic Fathers. The work was considered by some Church Fathers to be a part of the New Testament,[6] while being rejected by others as spurious or non-canonical,[7][8][9] In the end, it was not accepted into the New Testament canon. " Taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache

An excerpt from the Didache on abortion: "Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Gross Sin Forbidden
And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, Exodus 20:15 you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten[/born i.e. Infanticide].

You shall not covet the things of your neighbour, Exodus 20:17 you shall not forswear yourself, Matthew 5:34 you shall not bear false witness, Exodus 20:16 you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed.

You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbour. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life."

Taken from: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm

Thoughts?

God Bless.
 
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Dear Friends, what are thoughts on the Didache, an early Christian post-Biblical writing?

Wiki has this on the book: "The Didache (/ˈdɪdəkeɪ, -ki/; Greek: Διδαχή, translit. Didakhé, lit. "Teaching"),[1] also known as The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations (Διδαχὴ Κυρίου διὰ τῶν δώδεκα ἀποστόλων τοῖς ἔθνεσιν), is a brief anonymous early Christian treatise written in Koine Greek, dated by modern scholars to the first[2] or (less commonly) second century AD.[3] The first line of this treatise is "The teaching of the Lord to the Gentiles (or Nations) by the twelve apostles" ... The Didache is considered part of the group of second-generation Christian writings known as the Apostolic Fathers. The work was considered by some Church Fathers to be a part of the New Testament,[6] while being rejected by others as spurious or non-canonical,[7][8][9] In the end, it was not accepted into the New Testament canon. " Taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache

An excerpt from the Didache on abortion: "Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Gross Sin Forbidden
And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, Exodus 20:15 you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten[/born i.e. Infanticide].

You shall not covet the things of your neighbour, Exodus 20:17 you shall not forswear yourself, Matthew 5:34 you shall not bear false witness, Exodus 20:16 you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed.

You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbour. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life."

Taken from: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm

Thoughts?

God Bless.

I would have to do some reading on the subject, but anything that says abortion is sin is ok with me.
 

Ted01

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I understand the Didache to be an extensive litany of rules and regulations that attempts to burden Christians under legalistic nonsense.
 
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kaylagrl

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I understand the Didache to be an extensive litany of rules and regulations that attempts to burden Christians under legalistic nonsense.

Maybe, but aren't wrong on abortion.
 

SomeDisciple

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I dare anyone calling themselves a Christian to say that Mary had the right to abort Jesus. Actually I don't- nobody should even think that in their heads.

But the Didache, as mentioned, has a legalistic tone- and weird requirements for baptism that are not really backed up by canon scriptures.
 

ResidentAlien

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We need the Didache to tell us abortion is wrong?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I understand the Didache to be an extensive litany of rules and regulations that attempts to burden Christians under legalistic nonsense.
Not unlike some on this forum then
 

JohnDB

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The issue I have is the whole "cut and paste" nature of regards of theological writings.
IOW if part is false then it's all false and we need to look elsewhere.

However...
Simon of Cyrene who was conscripted to carry the cross for Jesus sold Abortifacient for a living in the best spot of the spice market. (Meaning he did better than others selling herbs)

But the visual is what caused the Early Church fathers to write what they did. (It wasn't a positive)

So....where I may agree with them on this part, it is due to actual scripture hermeneutics as to why. Their things about baptisms....meh.
 

Dirtman

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I don't see a problem with anything written there in. I find it strange that if some theologian of old has written a thesis on some biblical matter, the modern Christian recoils, but when some modern preaxher writes something its met with million dollar book sales. Even if it's total rubbish.
 

Dirtman

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We need the Didache to tell us abortion is wrong?
No we don't. But it is good that we have a written record that the church of old rightly held our same position. Especially now days with the liberal churxh.
 

JaumeJ

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I don't see a problem with anything written there in. I find it strange that if some theologian of old has written a thesis on some biblical matter, the modern Christian recoils, but whe
n some modern preaxher writes something its met with million dollar book sales. Even if it's total rubbish.
This above, for me, is reminiscent of when Paul wrote how some said they belonged to Peter, and others to Joh, and others to Paul and so on.

Today it reflects juch thinking as I belong to Luther, I belong to the Pope, I belong to Wesley, I belong to Mary Baaker Eddy, agaqins and so on ad Infineum.

Why not all go back to We blong to Jesus Yeshua? Of course, this would be too honest, direct and easy. I belong to Him, and I pray all who call upon His name do so from the heart, and if they all do it is very easy to break away from this pandemic apostasy.
 

ResidentAlien

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No we don't. But it is good that we have a written record that the church of old rightly held our same position. Especially now days with the liberal churxh.
"You shall not murder." Matthew 19:18 There's an old one; direct from Jesus.
 

Seeker47

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No we don't. But it is good that we have a written record that the church of old rightly held our same position. Especially now days with the liberal churxh.
The Didache was as a teaching for early gentile Christians who were not versed in the First Testament, nor did they have a sense of Jewish history. They probably did need to be told.
 

Dirtman

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"You shall not murder." Matthew 19:18 There's an old one; direct from Jesus.
Imagine that. Now image that I have read posts on this very website that basically said we shouldnt call it out or seek legislation against it.
 

ResidentAlien

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Imagine that. Now image that I have read posts on this very website that basically said we shouldnt call it out or seek legislation against it.
So, because it's in the Didache, this will convince them otherwise?