The Remnant

Who are the remnant of the household of Israel?

Much could be said but I will keep this short.

The Remnant are considered those who belong to God, specifically True Jews in the midst of all Israel. "Israel" has always struggled with corruption, such as "sleeping with the enemy." Israel couldn't keep their hands off of those who belonged to the Seven Nations . . . the Canaanites, etc. Because of this, the Lord was constantly pruning Israel of those who were not of the Pure, Holy Vine of Christ. Hence, the Remnant is the Pure, True Vine of Christ. All who belong to this Vine, they possess the Seed of Christ . . . which of course, the Devil is recorded to be doing all that he can to destroy the Seed of Christ.

You refer to them as "the Seed"... Are these Jews alive today? Will they be the "Tribulation Saints"?

How does modern day Israel fit into this?Did God be like "you know what?,build a bridge over the Jordan and come on home.Biblically speaking,modern day Israel would be considered the remnant.And it's not.

All tribulation Saints are comprised from "every tribe tongue and nation" = Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

The saved remnant of Israel is the part of Israel in Christ.

The chosen by the grace of God to salvation.

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Ephesians 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (resurrected) us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )

I may need to be corrected, but I've thought of the Remnant as virtually anyone who possesses the actual Seed of Christ.

Sorry, but this is the first time that I've heard of the Tribulation Saints, so it wouldn't be wise for me to comment.

Being a member of the Remnant isn't about location, but is about Spiritual Purification, and that can be done anywhere and at anytime the Lord desires. Belonging to the Remnant is determined by the condition of one's heart . . . the core issue of the entire Bible.

The apostolic church were the remnant.

I believe they are the The 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelation.. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes..

Perhaps this is not the term used in KJV. I believe it references the beheaded ones seen in...
Revelation 20:4
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

It is my understanding that these are they who believed the 2 witness and received Jesus during the Tribulation. Many Jews will not come to Jesus until after the rapture of the Church. Many will be beheaded for refusing the mark of the beast. I was wondering if this is the remnant the OP referred to.

This is my estimate as well.

The tribulation saints consist of the remnant of Israel numbering 144,000. And after noting the tribes numbers, it is stated that a great multitude, that can not be numbered, from all nations. The remnant consists of those mentioned in the verses prior to the scripture you posted.


"And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand." Rev 7:4-8

Please read carefully all of chapter 7 in our LORD's Revelation and be careful to not add to HIS words.

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying:
“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”

Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I actually use 16 translations and still am unaware of that phrase. However, I'm thankful for the opportunity to learn.

And now I understand why I am hazy on the topic . . . God has not opened my eyes to Eschatology. My focus has been to discover what the actual Gospel Truly is. Therefore, my Biblical focus has been on Spiritual Circumcision, the releasing of an individual from the Curse of the Lord. I feel, clearly, that God has put this core Biblical doctrine into my heart as a life focus. I am convinced that this is my duty . . . to discuss Spiritual Circumcision. And so thus I need the Body of Christ for understanding other areas of the Bible.

I agree that sharing the Gospel is our primary objective.

Yes, and I suppose the way that I see it is like this: If I don't feel confident that I Truly understand the Gospel, then I shouldn't focus on or place emphasis of study on anything else. And so this is where I am at. I am still focusing on understanding these things, thus I am constantly trying to further develop my understanding of the Law, Abraham, Spiritual Circumcision, as well as the Purpose, Work, and Effect of Christ in a Believers life.

A real bible student knows the Election are true seed of Israel, and the jews were grafted out. Some members here are wrong. They lack knowledge. I'm not talking down to anyone. Psalm 135:4. For The Lord hath chosen Jacob unto Himself, and Israel for His treasure. Gods own possession, for His posterity. God wanted Israel separate from heathen nations. God wants pure worship. God hates heathen traditions and rituals. Can you understand this. Genesis 48:10. The scepter shall not depart from judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; Judah has the right to rule, but ephraim and manasseh have the birthright and blessings. Shiloh is Jesus, he's coming at the 7th trump as king of kings. 49:22. Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: 49:26. The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitor unto the utmost bound of the of the lasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. NAZIR in Hebrew means = set apart, the consecrated one. True Israel is blessed and has the birthright. In these end times, America, Britain are Blessed, they're ephraim and manasseh, get the picture. Genesis 17:4. As for he, behind, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 17:6. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful , and I will make nations of thee , and kings shall come out of thee. Abraham was the PROGENTOR, not only of Israel, but ISHMAEL, midian, arabians. Their half brothers. The blessings are on Israel, which is America. Were talking about Joseph son ephraim. American people call themselves caucasian, they lost their true identity. Some people dont know who they are, even calling them selves gentiles. Isaiah 18:2. That send ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go , ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled. Is their any land on earth in Europe, Asia, Africa or Australia that is quartered by rivers? The Mississippi river takes its rise near the Canadian border and cuts down to the gulf of Mexico, dividing our land in halves. Its divided by four sections. Snake river, Missouri river, to Ohio river to the Monongahela river. Trodden down is, native American Indians defeated by American military. Peeled means clean shaven. The 12 tribes of Israel came from Europe and Britain to America beginning in 1600s. America is Israel !. The remnant are Gods elect. Lot of people have free will. The election dont have free will. Romans 8:5. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Colossians 3:2. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. PHRONEO in Greek means = affection, mind. Someone who has a Subverted mind, is self condemned. You cant reason with someone who has a Warped mind. Same as someone who is double minded, you can't count on the person. Those who follow the flesh, the temptation and enticements of the world, is not of God. These people affection is walking in darkness, their following the prince of darkness. Romans 8:6. For to be CARNALLY minded is death; but to be spirtualty minded is life and peace. PHRONEMA means in Greek = the minding. The flesh leads to destruction and spirtualty leads to kingdom of God. Death is satan. Holy spirit is of God. Do you understand?. 8:7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subjective to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Those walking in the flesh dont want accountability. Its easier to shift blame or believe their own lies. Why should I repent to God, why should I obey God. 8:8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Galatians 5:16. This I say then, Walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh .ANTIKEIMAI in Greek means = Are Contrary. ME in Greek means = may not, can not. Opposition to God brings judgment. God can be your protection or your judge. Again, someone with a subverted mind will not get God's blessings or protection. Judgement starts with house of God. Anyone misleading or lying to people will pay for their sins. Second Peter 2:9. The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished. I dont take God seriously. Oh, you dont. Life is fun and games. Who can spin the wheel faster. Job 21:30. That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction. They shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. God has books, and keeps records of Everyone. Those who plant seeds of lies, mislead people, have spot in Hell. Your accountable to God for what you teach and preach. Judgement starts with house of God First !! If you hate the truth, then shove off!!.

I'm not sure where you think I added to scripture. My point was Verses 1-8 pertain specifically to the tribes of Israel numbering 144,000. Then in verse 9 there's a distinction; "AFTER THIS I BEHELD a multitude no one could number:

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Twelve thousand of each tribe detailed:

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."