Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

Kicking the goads

Suppose someone does not subscribe to OSAS, what would that look like? It would look like someone who is working out their salvation in fear and trembling just like Paul said in Philippians.

Suppose someone did believe in OSAS but were wrong, what would that look like? It would look like 1Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Beware when anyone tells you that the warnings are figurative but the promises are literal.

Except Paul was referring to the issue of spirutal growth, and not working for eternal life, or getting into heaven.

Everlasting-Grace said that.

My response was that he does not speak for you or for anyone else on this thread.

Please fix your post so that I can respond to your words.

Acts 10:43

I already addressed this above. Where do either of these passages say salvation is irrevocable?

Im a little confused by your assertion. Does that mean you view the book of Revelation as allegory?

Jesus says He will never lose any who the Father has given Him.

LOL, first of all, I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. Second, I don't want to know. Third, I hate guessing games. Fourth. I don't have all to go 'round and 'round. Maybe you can find some who is at work and would rather be in here than working. Have fun.

Why, why, why, that is the issue. -- FreeGrace2 #1,222

(I asked him to fix the post, he didn't so I'll just respond like this.)

The doctrine of OSAS has been abused. Maybe not by FreeGrace2 but it has been abused by FreeMason pastors who preach the prosperity gospel and OSAS. This is a doctrine of man and it is unnecessary. I prefer the doctrine of the apostles.

Man comes up with these doctrines because they are too lazy to read the word of God, even though we are told that man lives by the word of God. I don't like using a crutch.

There is no simple formula to life and this doctrine leads to simple formulas to the Christian life. People are deceived, they think that because they prayed some prayer 20 years ago they are saved, and now they go about their business. This is not true of everyone, but the fact that some eat this slop emboldens others who are weak in the faith and don't know the word to eat it as well and they are harmed.

The second problem is once you subscribe to a doctrine you must defend it to the end and that means explaining away verses as being figurative, or saying that verses discussing salvation don't matter, the only salvation that matters is the one you are talking about.

A Christian is saved to be the body and bride of Christ. Yet they admit that if you suffer loss and are saved through fire you will not reign with Christ. How exactly would you be the body and bride of Christ if you do not reign with Christ. Even if that isn't the lake of fire that sounds pretty horrible, like outer darkness and weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yet the OSAS crowd puts that in the fine print if they mention it at all.

The third problem is this just makes things complicated with useless wrangling. The simple answer to all of this is "Jesus is Lord", He will sort it all out. Your job is to stand on the blood of the lamb and be a witness.

So the words never die. live forever, eternal life. and a promise to be raised AFTER we do what Jesus said, is not proving that salvation is irrevocable or eternal in nature and will never stop???

As for irrevocable. I showed that too in my origional post

1. I showed the GIFT of God is life

Romans 5: 15 But the gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

romans 6: 23 - the penalty of sin is death, the GIFT of God is eternal life

and I showed that the gifts of God are irrevocable or will not be repented of

romans 11: 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

once again

the loss is rewards.

gold silver precious stone, wood hay and straw.

Even if all they have left to show after their works are tried by fire (wood hay and straw are consumed in the fire) they will still be saved.. But they suffer loss

Throw away the crutch

A personal testimony -- When my son started High School I was told he would need a para to walk around with him. I asked why and they said because he can't walk up stairs without holding the handrail. If he falls he could be hurt. (He had a very difficult birth and had to have three different therapists all the way through elementary school. We had eliminated the occupational and speech therapists by this time but still he had to have a physical therapist).

So what I did was I took him hiking up the Adirondack mountains. On one mountain he could not make it 200 yards. The very first hill was too icy and hard as he tried he could make it up. So, I took off by belt and tied it to my pack so he could hold onto it and we climbed that mountain that way. It was brutal, slippery, sliding the entire way. You had melt water over ice. But we made it to the top and we made it back down with almost no falls (I was the only one to fall).

After a couple of weeks of this school started and I asked that he be reevaluated. He passed and never had to have a para in high school.

What does it look like for someone who does not believe in eternal security?

It would look like this

I trust in Christ, But I must add to his works. I must do this and this and this and this.. and I must NOT do this that or the other thing
If I fail to do this, I will lose or forfiet my salvation,

it would look like this

3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you [a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed [b]among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so [many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

You like to throw a lot of scriptures up. Let's keep this simple and to the point, if that's possible. Just show me one scripture that demonstrates beyond question that salvation is irrevocable, and explain why you believe that's what it says.

Thats your problem.

at no time is ANYONE names said to be WRITTEN in the book of life

But scripture DOES SAY that one can have their names BLOTTED from the book of life

How can an unbeliever have their name blotted from the book if it was not written.

My friend, Your so busy trying to tear holes into a belief you do not like you are starting to make mental errors trying to support your theories

why would a person who has become bankrupt in spirit. Confessed of his total sinfullness, Confess he is headed to an eternity apart from God because of his sin, Confess he can do absolutely NOTHING to make up for the wrongs that he has done, that he is totally lost and in need of a savior. Who like the tax collector gets on their knees, unable to even look up and crys out for Gods mercy, ever repent of every believing these things, and placing their faith in the only one who could save them?

Unless they did not really confess or believe the things he claimed he confessed in?

Yes is there a verse in the NT that says that God would not be righteous if you were not saved.

Romans 10:13 Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

This is a promise and it would be unrighteous to violate this promise. However, it is a bad translation.

The first use of this word in the New Testament is Matthew 10:3 and refers to the surname of the apostles.

This verse means that you are surnamed with the name of the Lord. So it really means whoever allows themself to be called by the name of the Lord shall be saved.

That means you, like Sarah, say that Jesus is Lord. It is also future tense, not present tense.

Anyone who is discarding Bible verses, ignoring Bible verses, and justifying that is not calling Jesus Lord.

The New Testament never says an unbeliever can have his name blotted out.

Your right, Jesus decides

This is what Jesus said about it

John 3: 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Condemned already, that means they remain in a state of condemnation. Not that they were recondemned because they lost faith

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

He will LOSE NOTHING

According to you. He will lose people. because his promise is invalid