Speaking in Tongues

The record doesn't provide a minute by minute account of everything that was said. However, the record does include action the group took indicating they were responding to gospel information provided by Paul. Their experience lines up with what was said and experienced on the Day of Pentecost when the church was birthed. (Acts 2:2-4, 38-39)

Notice that in verse 5 the group was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. This is a reference to water baptism. Water baptism first introduced by John was later modified in include the name of the Lord Jesus in association with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. This truth about baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus being water baptism is revealed in scripture; specifically in Acts 10:47-48. After being rebaptized in water, Paul's assisted in the twelve being indwelt by the Holy Ghost as evidenced by their speaking in tongues.


"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:2-6

The record doesn't provide a minute by minute account of everything that was said. However, the record does include action the group took indicating they were responding to gospel information provided by Paul. Their experience lines up with what was said and experienced on the Day of Pentecost when the church was birthed. (Acts 2:2-4, 38-39)

Notice that in verse 5 the group was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. This is a reference to water baptism. Water baptism first introduced by John was later modified in include the name of the Lord Jesus in association with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. This truth about baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus being water baptism is revealed in scripture; specifically in Acts 10:47-48. After being rebaptized in water, Paul's assisted in the twelve being indwelt by the Holy Ghost as evidenced by their speaking in tongues.


"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:2-6

There are, however, very early evidences for the inclusion of Mark 16:9-20 which precede in time the above Bibles from the 300’s to 1100’s by several hundred years.

I strongly and lovingly disagree because = God disagrees = HE said so in His Word, the Scripture.

God said so and recorded for us so that we may know the Truth:

"He(Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since you(disciples) believed?

Wake UP to Righteousness and the LIVING WORD of TRUTH

Peace my Brother

This is correct. John William Burgon has written a book called The Last Twelve Verses of Mark which conclusively proves that those verse are Scripture. In fact Codex Sinaiticus has a gap where these verses belonged. This is one of the strongest reasons why all modern bible versions should be rejected.

The structure of Paul's question indicates he assumed they had already believed but had not received the Holy Ghost yet.

Scripture indicates those who have not received the Holy Ghost/Spirit are considered outside the body of Christ. Paul's assistance in sharing the complete truth resulted in the twelve acquiring what God longs to give everyone of us; His indwelling presence.

You gave a incorrect application and therefore an incorrect conclusion.

Follow the Scriptural Truth about Salvation = beginning in Genesis.

Follow the Truth in Acts.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Peace

I did not add anything to Paul's question as recorded in God's word. And as the scripture for reference says "Every word of God is flawless..." That would include what Paul's question reveals.

Continue to be blessed.

Scripture indicates those who have not received the Holy Ghost/Spirit are considered outside the body of Christ.

Let us SEE

You said Truth here = "The structure of Paul's question indicates he assumed they had already believed but had not received the Holy Ghost yet."

You said error here = "Scripture indicates those who have not received the Holy Ghost/Spirit are considered outside the body of Christ."

We are Saved by the Spirit of God when we believe =
"He(Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since you(disciples) believed?"

The believing disciples knew the Lord Jesus Christ.
The preaching of the Second Promise of the Father was withheld from them = "“we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

Paul never said to them believe on the LORD for Salvation, but only to be baptised in the Name of Christ to recieve the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which they did not know of = Holy Spirit Baptism.
AND
God explained to us why.

Peace Brother

Scripture indicates those who have not received the Holy Ghost/Spirit are considered outside the body of Christ...

You said error here = "Scripture indicates those who have not received the Holy Ghost/Spirit are considered outside the body of Christ."
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I don't recall hearing of the book, intent to check it out. Thanks for the info.!

You can purchase it through Amazon. Here is one review from Amazon:

This book should be required reading for seminary students. In the field of New Testament textual criticism, the question arises whether the last twelve verses of Mark's Gospel were original, or a later addition. The ESV for example includes the text but in parentheses, to suggest it is not original. They follow the line of Westcott and Hort, and presently the Alands, who place great trust in two leading codices - Sinaiticus and Vaticanus.

In a work of thorough and competent scholarship, Burgon shows that the witness of the early church fathers who lived and wrote before the 4th century is that the disputed passage was present in the church's copies of the New Testament for a significant period before Sinaiticus and Vaticanus (which are 4th century). The open-minded scholar who takes time to consider Burgon's case will I think realize that it is a substantial case and needs to be heard.

Again, you are bypassing what Paul's initial question reveals. The question is a separate issue than what transpired afterward.

See Romans 8:9
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

You said Truth here = "The structure of Paul's question indicates he assumed they had already believed but had not received the Holy Ghost yet."

You said error here = "Scripture indicates those who have not received the Holy Ghost/Spirit are considered outside the body of Christ."

We are Saved by the Spirit of God when we believe =
"He(Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since you(disciples) believed?"

The believing disciples knew the Lord Jesus Christ.
The preaching of the Second Promise of the Father was withheld from them = "“we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

Paul never said to them believe on the LORD for Salvation, but only to be baptised in the Name of Christ to recieve the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which they did not know of = Holy Spirit Baptism.
AND
God explained to us why.

Again, you are bypassing what Paul's initial question reveals. The question is a separate issue than what transpired afterward.

I've included evidence that speaks to the authenticity of the long ending of the Gospel of Mark, I thought might be of interest:

What I want to know is..... just how many angels CAN dance on the head of a pin....? Really?

Paul, to Timothy... "23 But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels. "

Case in point: You just created, in your own words, a "foolish and ignorant speculation" = "how many angels CAN dance....."

Whereas the Holy Spirit conducted the account of His Glorious Outpouring in Acts and warns us of how some seek to bypass thru academic exaltation.

i don't know of any Church who believes in Speaking in Tongues is elevating it to a level you claim. i think because you oppose Speaking in Tongues, it just seems to be that way from your viewpoint.

um.... I was using an absurd example to illustrate you two guys arguing semantics for 4 or 5 pages now.
Sorry you missed that. I thought it was pretty obvious.

"How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" (alternatively "How many angels can stand on the point of a pin?")

is a reductio ad absurdum challenge to medieval scholasticism in general, and its angelology in particular, as represented by figures such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas.

It is first recorded in the 17th century, in the context of Protestant apologetics. It also has been linked to the fall of Constantinople, with the imagery of scholars debating while the Turks besieged the city.

In modern usage, the term has lost its theological context and is used as a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value, or questions whose answers hold no intellectual consequence, while more urgent concerns accumulate.

"The actual quotation is, “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”. It was a criticism of theologians who spent their efforts arguing about inconsequential and ridiculous things instead of advancing our knowledge of God. It is used now to say that someone is arguing about trivialities. "