How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

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HE is talking about the Spiritual Temple, not the Earthly Temple. One does not supersede the other. Let me show you.

Ephesians 2:16-22 (HCSB) Between 60-61 A.D.
16 ⌊He did this so⌋ that He might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross and put the hostility to death by it.
17 When ⌊the Messiah⌋ came, He proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19 So then you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints, and members of God’s household,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.
21 The whole building, being put together by Him, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord.
22 You also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB) Between 53-55 A.D.
13 For we were all baptized {even the thief on the Cross} by one Spirit into one body—
{their is the Spiritual Body or Temple of Christ}, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

What are the Requirements For the Feast of Tabernacles?
It includes 2 trips to the EARTHLY TEMPLE for Mortal Men and Women.

Zechariah 14:9 (HCSB)
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Zechariah 14:16-19 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths {Also called Feast of Tabernacles}.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

Isaiah 46:11 (NJB)
11 I call a bird of prey from the east, my man predestined, from a distant land.
What I have said, I shall do, what I have planned, I shall perform.

You have to have a physical building called a TEMPLE for mortal man to fulfill that the requirements of the Festival of Booths in.
For us in the sky, CHRIST IS THE BODY or TEMPLE. Is is clear now ? ? ?

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HE is talking about the Spiritual Temple, not the Earthly Temple. One does not supersede the other. Let me show you.

Ephesians 2:16-22 (HCSB) Between 60-61 A.D.
16 ⌊He did this so⌋ that He might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross and put the hostility to death by it.
17 When ⌊the Messiah⌋ came, He proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19 So then you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints, and members of God’s household,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.
21 The whole building, being put together by Him, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord.
22 You also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB) Between 53-55 A.D.
13 For we were all baptized {even the thief on the Cross} by one Spirit into one body—
{their is the Spiritual Body or Temple of Christ}, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

What are the Requirements For the Feast of Tabernacles?
It includes 2 trips to the EARTHLY TEMPLE for Mortal Men and Women.

Zechariah 14:9 (HCSB)
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Zechariah 14:16-19 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths {Also called Feast of Tabernacles}.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

Isaiah 46:11 (NJB)
11 I call a bird of prey from the east, my man predestined, from a distant land.
What I have said, I shall do, what I have planned, I shall perform.

You have to have a physical building called a TEMPLE for mortal man to fulfill that the requirements of the Festival of Booths in.
For us in the sky, CHRIST IS THE BODY or TEMPLE. Is is clear now ? ? ?

Just don't be seriously sidetracked by looking for a third earthly temple that you completely miss the Eternal Glory of HIS Temple = NOW/TODAY.

For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children

— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all

"Seven days shalt thou keep a solemn feast unto the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord shall choose: because the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice. Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the Lord empty: Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee." - Deut 16:15-17 KJV *

If we look at how the old Law commands the observance of the feast of the tabernacles, it can be any place of the Lord's choosing. No earthly temple required.

"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." - 1 Peter 2:5 KJV

And if we look back at the spiritual temple approach, we see that spiritual sacrifices can take place.

There is also a ionic Christian tabernacle in most churches. It can leave one wondering whether "feast of tabernacles" can have a different connotation in a post-crucifixion world.

So I still see nothing that would necessitate an earthly temple.

Everywhere bro. Seriously.....everywhere.

I am 73 years old, born again, when I was 29, ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE. I was discipled by John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, Ed Young, Adrian Rodgers, Gil Rugh, and some others. The Lord Put on my heart to Move West, after listening to they Ministries for YEARS, and I did not know why. A couple of years after I move to California, HE revealed what HE was wanted me to do in CA. I was to Start a Prison Ministry, in a Brand New super max Prison on the coast. I did not know the first thing about Prison Ministry, BUT I HAD THE EXPERT INSIDE ME, and my first spiritual gift was TOTAL TRUST IN HIM, and HE would teach me all I need to know. I was 9.5 years as a Volunteer Prison Chaplain at a Prison on the coast, and 5.5 Years in another super max Prison. As I finished my career as US Mail Carrier. My wife died of heart attack, 7 years go. I miss her dearly, still. I then moved back to Nebraska, because I still has some relatives that live here, hoping to live long enough to see the RAPTURE. No Danger of me FALLING AWAY, the only reason I am so gun-ho on the Third Temple issue, is because it in THE LORD's Plan, and HE WILL FULFILL THAT PROPHECY, after the RAPTURE. YES I AM SURE OF IT.

If by "the Jews" you mean Talmudic Jews, or Talmudism in general, I agree. It's hard to be right without Christ.

So I still see nothing that would necessitate an earthly temple.

Other than fulfilling the unconditional promises made to Abraham as regards his perpetual inheritance of the land. And of course the eternal Lordship of King Jesus Messiah over His chosen people the Jews on the planet earth from His throne in Jerusalem.

That verse you quoted up top is talking about the FOURTH TEMPLE, not the Third Temple.

Oh, you mean those seed promises that were to Christ per Gal 3?

Aahhhmmm....no.
Have you never read Genesis 12:7?
Genesis 13:14-17?
Genesis 15 the entire chapter?
How about Genesis 17:8?
Genesis 26:3-4?
Exodus 6:3?
Exodus 32:13?

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are vast sweeping promises, covenants, themes and seminal concepts that could be expounded upon enough to fill many libraries.

But you already knew all of this right bro? I mean every believing Christian as a firm grasp on Abraham and the unconditional eternal promises granted to him by the eternal God who keepeth covenant.

"And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him." - Gen 12:7 KJV

Seed promise.

"For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever." - Gen 13:15 KJV

Seed promise.

"In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:" - Gen 15:18 KJV

Seed promise.

"And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." - Gen 17:8 KJV

Seed promise.

"Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;" - Gen 26:3 KJV

Seed promise.

"Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the Lord." - Exodus 6:6-8 KJV

OK. Good. You have finally referenced something that is not a seed promise. And from this we see that the people taken out of Egypt were given that land. This does not state perpetual ownership.

"Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever." - Exodus 32:13 KJV

Seed promise.



The majority of covenant promises were conditional. Have you seen how many 'ifs' appear in the OT?



Are you claiming you aren't a believing Christian?

Are you a closet replacement theology advocate?

And just to let you know.......Christians do not inherit the land. Israelites do.

As if you would know the difference between the two.

You score an F rating on this topic. Likewise you score in F on eschatology. You know next to nothing about either.

but they were conditional.

I see that you are a Dispensationalist, I unfortunately mistook you for a Christian.

Stop rejecting Gal 3, Rom 9, and 2 Cor 3. Put away your Talmudic teachings and join Christianity. Until you can accept the Christian Bible as a whole we have nothing else to talk about. I will leave you to your false religion.

Those who deny the right Israel to their land, or deny the promises of God guaranteeing the ultimate redemption of Israel.......go to the iggy penalty box.

I doubt if you will ever get out. Blasphemy has its consequences. And replacement theology is a grevious heresy.

the scripture you mean ? Yes I do actually believe what it says even if I didn’t always think it when younger nd prouder , I learn what it says I accept what’s there so yes I do believe it

But for clarity which part do you not accept any particular point you’d like to discuss ?

that Jesus is the true temple of God ? And you don’t need a man made temple in Jerusalem to worship him ?

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:21, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That when a person receives the holy spirit of God , they now become a temple for his living spirit ?

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:23-24‬ ‭

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


what parts are you flabbergasted by ? To
Me it’s just basic reading without rejecting because I “already know “ I’m assuming maybe it’s this part ?

“But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:11-12, 15-17‬

some folks have issues brother tbat a testament was broken and resulted in a curse d then another was promised and later given by Jesus but yeah I do believe most of anything I write here , doesn’t mean you have to believe it though brother so there was no offense intended usually when scripture is presented it does cause a lot of conflict because we all have conclusions that don’t always match what is actually written

i read Brother Pilgrimshope Post #19 and cannot find/see what the emphasis of your comment is.......

Can you please elaborate your emphasis by which you said: "I really cant believe your post here. Is this what you really believe?"

Thank you