Struggling reading through romans 8 & 9 and Calvinism.

There is a "world" that God loves, and there is a world that God hates.

Do the following scriptures fit the world that is referenced in John 3:16?

John 15:18-19 - If the world hate you, ye know it hated me before it hated you, If ye were of the world, the world would love his own, but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 16:20 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice, and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

John 17:14 - I have given them the word, and the world hateth them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

No.

1 Pet 3:21 - tells us that baptism is an answer of a good conscience toward God that delivers (saves) us from our guilt. Being baptised does not wash away your sins, as you have been taught.

Let me word it differently. Do these scriptures depict the world that God loves?

"In Israel" - Are you taking about the Biblical 'all Israel', the people? or the modern geopolitical state that calls itself 'Israel?'

"Of Israel" - Do you mean this as in genetic progeny of Jacob/Israel including nonIsaac descendants?

It could be the case that many Jacob descendants are in the modern geopolitical state that calls itself Israel. But whether these are chosen "all Israel" is not clear. Maybe 100% of the modern citizens are hidden Sauls yet to be realized as Pauls. It could also be the case that 0% of the modern citizens would be of the promises.


It was not by bloodline alone. That's the point that Paul was communicating. And more than that, nonbloodline individuals can be inherited into the promises.


Agreed, but not every bloodline Jew is guaranteed to turn to Christ and become grafted into the promises.


This is talking about "all Israel" not "all of Israel". Not all Jews are "all Israel"


He was bringing up the fact that bloodline is not the only determining factor for inheritance of the promises. He uses Isaac as an example of this. He is not saying that all descendants of Isaac are heirs to the promise.


Your comment here makes no sense. If the chosen Jews are a subset of those that call themselves Jews, how does that undermine Christ's genealogy?

I disagree with the erroneous context that you are trying to apply to that. True Jews like Paul are chosen (Jews that are in Christ, aka Christians). True Israel (the people) is chosen.

And what do you mean by "Jerusalem is chosen". If you are stating that because prophesies reference mount Zion, etc. you could say that anyone in any prophesy is "chosen" including Satan himself. "Chosen" / "Elect" has a very specific context that you are ignoring.

Why do you reject the truth that Christians are God's chosen people?

Whether you interpret Deut 30:19 to be talking about physical death or spiritual death is irrelevant. The point is that this affirms that choice exists and therefore hard-determinism cannot be true if this reference to choice is sincere.

If by house of Israel you are referring to the Church, yes.

The house of Israel does not refer to all people of Israel.

It is only referencing Christians.

You missed the point.

Do you have scriptural evidence to back up your claim?

You mean, what Peter taught us?
and I agree that baptism is an appeal to God for a clear conscience...... as scripture states.

Believing is a work:

John 6 NIV
28Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Yes, I know that verse. It’s not a work of the law.

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. God loves THE WORLD. Not some word parsed "this world" "that world" kind of place.
God hates sin. God's plan was for ALL men to be saved, but He also knew there would be many that reject Him. God loved "the world" enough to send His son to die for "the world".... why do you try to make it something other than that?

You literally believe that God and Satan are on the same side? I don't think you actually mean what you said.

"When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me." - Psalms 56:9 KJV

In your interpretation does Psa 56:9 not indicate that God takes sides?

Yes he did. Many passages describe a cause and effect where God did (a) and the result was (b). God removed Pharaoh's free will in respect to that choice.

"But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go." - Exodus 10:20 KJV

What does this verse mean to you?


"For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not." - Rom 7:14-18 KJV

What does this passage mean to you?

Calvinistic beliefs? I don't even know what Calvinism entails.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Calvinism

I look through and still have no idea what you are talking about.

It happens when a person hears the Gospel and decides to believe it.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Every person ever born has had a choice. Not a single exception. God's grace is extended and offered to all.

Judas? Pharaoh? Joseph? The other Joseph? We aint gonna agree

Exo_4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Thank you for your verse;
Romans 9:11
For though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls.

Let's talk about it.

My understanding of this verse (and it's context) is that God can and does use human beings to fulfil His purpose regardless of whether they do good or bad. This in no way suggest that they do not have a choice about how they live their lives and what decisions they make. He would certainly prefer that we make the right choices, but His plans will come to fruition either way.

It helps to consider what the Bible says as a whole rather than trying to build and bolster our own doctrine on and with one pet verse.

Let's look at another verse:
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

Some folks believe humans are in control some folks believe God is.

At least on some level all Christians should be able to say that sometimes the sovereignty of God restricts the choices of people. Consider your own birth: did you choose to be born? did you choose your hair or eye color? did you choose your favorite color independently of God's design in you?
Paul, in speaking to the people in Athens,said God had determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.
James tells his audience that people should say...if the Lord wills...we will buy and sell and make much gain...
David in the Psalms says that all the days ordained for him were written in a book before any came to be.
So the idea that God doesn't at some level intervene in the affairs of mankind is without merit.
One can argue the extent to which God exercises sovereignty, but scripture clearly affirms that He does.

I agree.

But at some point, they can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven. And be given Faith.

If they don't then they remain in their condemned state.

They all made choices. Please tell me that you believe and understand this.

This was not the first day of little Pharaoh's life. He was not a righteous man of God. God hardened Him because tools sometimes work best when they are hard. God can use anything at any time to accomplish any job. This in no way implies that Pharoah never had the opportunity to walk with God the same way Noah and Abraham did. God is willing to extend grace and mercy to any man who is willing to repent and receive.

That’s the beauty of the Gospel. 🙏