Free from the law??

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I thought we are suppose to keep the law but then it says were free from the law??? What exactly does this mean???
GOD gave man the right to make a choice which means man could obey GODs voice which Is LIGHT Or listen to darkness and man chose darkness but GOD who loves righteousness didn't want to leave man In that condition but sense GOD loves righteousness the law was added or GODs perfect standard of righteousness and Man was not able to be perfect with his own strength because of the weakness of his flesh/mind he would be brought Into captivity to the law of sin like Paul wrote about (I delight In the law of GOD after the Inward but I see another law warring against the law of my mind and bringing me Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In my members).

Paul wrote that ALL the law and the prophets were fulfilled In one word,LOVE.

Sense the law was broken by a man GOD made a way for man to be redeemed by sending JESUS who IS GOD and LOVE kept the law perfectly.

Now the key to salvation Is faith In GOD In CHRIST and not trying to keep the law which no earthly man could keep PERFECTLY.
 

studentoftheword

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It is because I love the lord that I follow his commandments, /QUOTE]

3 Questions

What commandments do you follow and keep ----------

AND

What makes you think that -----your ----Love ======for God helps you keep the commandments you say you keep ===

AND

What kind of Love is it you have for God ----


I thank you in advance for your answers -----I await to here from you -----:)
 

TMS

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#83
That is how Jesus fulfilled the law, He paid it's penalty in full, He died.

We have died with Him and are risen up together with Him to live forever. What power then can the law have over us?
True, the penalty of sin, the transgression of the law, was paid in full. Jesus grace we are free.
But does that mean the law is removed? Does that mean the law can be transgessed freely with no guilt.

When we die to the flesh and surrender our hearts to Jesus the flesh no longer controls us, we are letting the Spirit control us. The Spirit is obedient to the law.

The law does not change.
But mercy is given if we transgress the law.

We are freed by the life and death of Jesus but the law is still the standard of right and wrong.
 
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IloveYeshua said:


It is because I love the lord that I follow his commandments, /QUOTE]

3 Questions

What commandments do you follow and keep ----------all of the 10.

AND

What makes you think that -----your ----Love ======for God helps you keep the commandments you say you keep ===when you love completely unconditionally you do what GOD asked of you, absolutely and without any doubt.

AND

What kind of Love is it you have for God ----the one you call AGAPE from your previous posts if i remember correctly


I thank you in advance for your answers -----I await to here from you -----:)
 

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Free from the law = free from the penalty of the law. This in a sense mean the law is not affectting us, no penalty for us.

But we need to remember why the penalty has been taken away.

Because Jesus paid the penalty for us. Thanks to Jesus we are free from the condemnation of the law.

Sin is the transgression of the law.
Sin = eternal death.

Jesus paid the debt for us, and that means the law has not changed, if Jesus removed the law we are not condemned today. No law = no sin but we need forgiveness to be free.

Do we transgress the law because Jesus is able to pay it? Should i continue to sin because Jesus is gracious and merciful?

The law has not been changed. But God has made a way to be free from the condemnation of the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Obedience to the law is for the purpose of attaining to righteousness ... Jesus has become our righteousness. the trick to living holy is to allow Jesus to fully live in us.
 
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Is this what some call continued sanctification?
2 Chronicles 36:15-16

The Lord, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place; but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, until there was no remedy.

2 Peter 3:3-4

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”

Many here do not follow the words of christ but false doctrine
 

Dino246

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2 Chronicles 36:15-16

The Lord, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place; but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, until there was no remedy.

2 Peter 3:3-4

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”

Many here do not follow the words of christ but false doctrine
You can claim what you like, but your claims are not evidence of anything, neither are your misapplied Scripture verses.

Christians are not under the Sinai covenant, and no Christian today ever was.
 

studentoftheword

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3 Questions

Thank you for your reply ----appreciate it --My view on your comments

All I can say to you is ------if you agape God like you say ----then you should really have a look at what your doing saying you keep His Commandments ------

WHY ------ because God clearly says that the letter of the Law KILLS ---2 Corinthians 3:6 below --this means that your are doomed for Hell -----you are separated from God because the Law was given to show your SIN ----Sin separates you Form God ---and under the Law you remain under the CURSE of the Law ---

You can't serve God by Keeping the Laws ----because you can't keep the Laws that God Gave to Israel and God already knew that the Israelites would not be able to serve Him under the Law -----

The Israelits wanted the Laws and ask for the Laws and said they would keep them but they could not ------God gave them what THEY Wanted --God did not want to give the 10 ---but the Israelite's said they wanted rules to follow ----

If you really Agape God --You will Heed this Scripture -----and Believe it --


2 Corinthians 3:6 ERV
6 He made us able to be servants of a new agreement from himself to his people. It is not an agreement of written laws, but it is of the Spirit
. The written law brings death, but the Spirit gives life.


Why Because you can't keep the 613 Laws and your a sinner by trying ----your an unbeliever because there was no Faith needed to keep the laws --The Laws relied on your works -------of obedience or disobedience ------

And
there are more than 10 Commandments there are 613 Commandments ----so people who say they follow the Commandments are in fact deceiving themselves ------why people think and say there are just 10 Commandments is beyond me ------because that is watering down ----sugar coating and down right ignorance of the Laws God gave ----the laws are in the Old Testament and there are 613 laws that God gave and the 613 laws include the 10 ====

So no one is keeping God's full laws that He gave ------it is impossible ------only Jesus kept the Laws ----

Lying is an abomination to God -----and God gives us a command not to lie -----so anyone who says they have not told a lie in their life is Totally deceiving themselves -----Lying comes under the Letter of the Law which Kills ----

Proverbs 12:22 ESV
Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.

Proverbs 19:9 ESV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

Psalm 101:7 ESV / 1,499 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes.


Agape comes by way of the Holy Spirit dwelling in you -----the Law can;t give you Agape ----it is a Fruit of the Spirit of life -----The New Covenant is by Faith not by keeping the Laws -which is by Works -----you cannot get the Holy Spirit dwelling in you by keeping the 10 or 613 laws which you can't keep anyway ------

You and others who are so bent on the law are trying to mix ---the Old and New Testaments and God hates Mixture as well ----

This is God's command -----so if you agape God you will do as He says ---this is on mixing things together and it included the law and grace -----one is by works the other by God's unmerited Favour ----they don't MIX -----

Leviticus 19:19
Verse Concepts
‘You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Not-Mixing


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By Mixing the law and Grace you can only be a lukewarm Christian -your neither hot for the law or Grace and your neither cold to the law or to Grace ---your LUKEWARM for both ----

God says this about Lukewarmness ---

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your a double minded Christian --trying to mix both together -----

God says this about being double minded ----

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I say
Better off to make a choice ---stay with the Law or stay with Grace -----plant both feet in one or the other -----so you are stable -----
 

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Obedience to the law is for the purpose of attaining to righteousness ... Jesus has become our righteousness. the trick to living holy is to allow Jesus to fully live in us.
If Jesus's righteousness is living in us, the law will be obeyed in us.
Those that live in Jesus by the Spirit don't need to worry about the law because the law is being obeyed.
 

studentoftheword

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Jesus makes it very hard to keep any laws because he says this about Adultery -----so if you look with lust without doing the act your guilty -----so He doesn't make it easy to obey the laws ------

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart

So even if you don't lie but think about telling a lie ---your quilty
 

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Many thousands of Christians today sincerely believe that the Ten Commandments constituted the Old Covenant, which disappeared at the cross and, therefore, has no present application to grace-saved Christians.
This is not so.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The 10 commandments are not faulty, or have poor promises. They came directly from God and God does not create faulty things.
 

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Free from the law = free from the penalty of the law. This in a sense mean the law is not affectting us, no penalty for us.

But we need to remember why the penalty has been taken away.

Because Jesus paid the penalty for us. Thanks to Jesus we are free from the condemnation of the law.

Sin is the transgression of the law.
Sin = eternal death.

Jesus paid the debt for us, and that means the law has not changed, if Jesus removed the law we are not condemned today. No law = no sin but we need forgiveness to be free.

Do we transgress the law because Jesus is able to pay it? Should i continue to sin because Jesus is gracious and merciful?

The law has not been changed. But God has made a way to be free from the condemnation of the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
“Free from the law”

a you know the Bible doesn’t make that distinction where you are saying it’s talking about the punishment the Bible actually tells us what the law is meant to do first

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That leaves the law itself not the punishment of the law but the book of the law and everything written in it , here

Any Christian o preaching adherence to Moses law is working a subversion on themselves and others because you can’t choose a few rules of the law obey them and then say “ I keep the law “ you have to keep every word Moses wrote on his book of the law for Israel , every time

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we accept what e apostles already taught about the law we would find agreement among Christian’s and edification also it’s really super clear

at he punishment of the law is death when a sinner is out to death the law has nothing else to say to them they sinned and are now dead tbat concludes the laws service

christians die for sin here

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that alsoMeans they have died to the law of sin and death

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man ( only ) as long as he liveth?

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe can’t serve God by going to feasts and stoning each other for sin or ceremonial washing or bringing calves and goats to levites so they can sacrifice for our sins , we can’t serve God by being told what we better not do or die that’s for these folks

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of we are on that group your eighth we better start leeenkng the law but if we are ofnthe group that died to the law then we have what is for the righteous in Christ for Gods elect children the gospel not with the law but seperate from the law which we already died to in baptism

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Well Never understand if we’re not able to hear what this is plainly saying here

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


awe just need to step beyond that veil into Christs glorious light and clarity that’s where this happens not by the law but by the gospel

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s the gospel and we saw the law is opposite

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭

There are two testaments

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

( were in the since that time group ) it’s a new thing God is doing he was always foretelling it
 

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“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Dino246

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And they are part of the New covenant.
Nope.

The new covenant is righteousness by the blood of Jesus Christ, appropriated by faith; it is not adherence to a code. By acting in ways consistent with the love of Christ, we won't break the commandments, but we don't become or remain righteous by not breaking them. See Galatians 2 and 3.
 
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Friend in Christ, I have not read the complete reply yet for lack of time but i will reply adequately when i have a moment to absorb what you wrote. I saw your last line and i say to you that my choice is very clear, and will not change. I follow the gospel of Jesus and his words I cannot go wrong with the son of GOD's words.

Blessings.
 
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Friend in Christ, I have not read the complete reply yet for lack of time but i will reply adequately when i have a moment to absorb what you wrote. I saw your last line and i say to you that my choice is very clear, and will not change. I follow the gospel of Jesus and his words I cannot go wrong with the son of GOD's words.

Blessings.