Why are school shootings a sole unique American problem?

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Dude653

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Human history is filled with examples of Stalin, Hitler, Mao that are far, far worse than the horror of the school shootings. So why aren't those who are calling for the Americans to give up their guns focusing on getting the world leaders to give up their guns. How many kids were killed in the Vietnam war, or in the Korean war, or in WWI, WWII, Gulf wars, Afghan invasion (by both the US and earlier by Russia), etc., etc.


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These are the shoes of Jews that gave their firearms to Hitler.

BTW genocide in China is not a "theory", quarantine camps in Australia, not a "theory", and Trudeau seizing bank accounts, not a theory.
Innocent civilians including kids in wartime are largely killed by bomb raids, not guns.
And if you think Americans are going to just willingly hand over their guns, I have some farmland in Antarctica to sell you. There would be a civil war first
 

Lanolin

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Gosh I wonder what the problem could be?

Maybe its just US people are idiots??
Couldnt possibly be the proliferation of guns could it?!
 

Lanolin

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Am sure theres many fatherless in other nations devasted by war, aids, famine etc but they havent gone round shooting each other in SCHOOL.
 

Eli1

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Gosh I wonder what the problem could be?

Maybe its just US people are idiots??
Couldnt possibly be the proliferation of guns could it?!
According to NRA (National Rifle Association) only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. This is the Ultimate American troll message next to Donald Trump.

As George Carlin said: If you have stupid, selfish ignorant citizens you will get stupid, selfish ignorant leaders.
 

Eli1

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Am sure theres many fatherless in other nations devasted by war, aids, famine etc but they havent gone round shooting each other in SCHOOL.
‘Yes all these fatherless children need a gun to help them. This would boost the sales for the season too.
 

Dude653

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Why are we not securing schools so the shooter can't make it on to the property in the first place?
 

Eli1

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Why are we not securing schools so the shooter can't make it on to the property in the first place?
Yes this is a reasonable question in a weapons race. When one has many offensive weapons, the other side needs more defensive weapons.

Like agent smith said in the matrix “more more more “
 

Dude653

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Yes this is a reasonable question in a weapons race. When one has many offensive weapons, the other side needs more defensive weapons.

Like agent smith said in the matrix “more more more “
Well the reality is. Guns aren't going anywhere.
We can debate it until doomsday but it's just not happening
So in my opinion the next best solution is just to secure the school so the shooter can't make it on to the property in the first place
No one gets into the building without an ID and walking through a metal detector
Emergency exit doors that only open from the inside etc
 

swatfrog

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maybe its what they are teaching in school?
Or one person did it then they all copied. Target practice?

The US has 'right to bear arms' embedded in their consitution while other countries dont have this particular thing, so having a gun and shooting it must be super important to them.

Sikhs need to carry a knife, but doesnt seem like theres lots of stabbing incidents in their schools. Who knows? :rolleyes:
in sweden its mandatory for every citzen to go through firearms training,if 2 are in a car the must be at least 1 pistol between them,its the law.there is almost no crime
 

Eli1

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But I‘m glad that despite human stupidity no one (so far) has attempted to start a global war using the ultimate weapon : the nuclear bomb.
Yes USA used it in Japan a couple of times when no one had it and pandora‘s box was unleashed And moral lessons evaluated.
I guess even the most stupid realize that no one would win in a nuclear war.
And I’m sure there are those Especially in radical Muslim countries who would love to start one and watch the world burn.
 

Dude653

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But I‘m glad that despite human stupidity no one (so far) has attempted to start a global war using the ultimate weapon : the nuclear bomb.
Yes USA used it in Japan a couple of times when no one had it and pandora‘s box was unleashed And moral lessons evaluated.
I guess even the most stupid realize that no one would win in a nuclear war.
And I’m sure there are those Especially in radical Muslim countries who would love to start one and watch the world burn.
Japan surrendered immediately after we leveled two of their major cities
But you do have a point about the nuclear threat especially when some crazy jihadist gets his hands on nuclear weapons
 

Lanolin

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Uh Cuban missile crisis?
Wasnt it americans who are always building nuclear bunkers? Like its an everyday thing to stockpile food and prep and stuff, in case they are attacked. They cant claim they didnt start it.

Anyway seems a bit idiotic to me.
 

Dude653

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in sweden its mandatory for every citzen to go through firearms training,if 2 are in a car the must be at least 1 pistol between them,its the law.there is almost no crime
Sweden is one of the most secular countries in the world and has astronomically lower violence than we do here in America, maybe there's a correlation between secularism and lower violence but I guess that's another topic
I don't think America is the only country with liberal gun laws but we seem to have a unique problem with gun violence
I honestly don't know the solution but, as you mentioned, I think people should actually have to be trained to use a firearm safely before being allowed to carry one. Because handing just any Yahoo a gun with no training is a liability
 

ZNP

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Innocent civilians including kids in wartime are largely killed by bomb raids, not guns.
And if you think Americans are going to just willingly hand over their guns, I have some farmland in Antarctica to sell you. There would be a civil war first
You haven't been following the conversation because not only do I not think that but I have also suggested this person focus instead on taking away the guns from the world leaders, an even more preposterous idea.
 

ZNP

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But I‘m glad that despite human stupidity no one (so far) has attempted to start a global war using the ultimate weapon : the nuclear bomb.
Yes USA used it in Japan a couple of times when no one had it and pandora‘s box was unleashed And moral lessons evaluated.
I guess even the most stupid realize that no one would win in a nuclear war.
And I’m sure there are those Especially in radical Muslim countries who would love to start one and watch the world burn.
Uhmmm, there was someone at the AP that was recently fired for reporting that Russia had attacked Poland, and that was seen by many as an attempt to start WWIII between Russia and NATO
 

SomeDisciple

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https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-455

31% Grievance related
16% accident related
14% "school targeted"
11% suicide/suicide attempts
9% motivation unknown
7% domestic disputes
5% targeted victim
4% related to illegal activity
3% other

From what I understand the incidents in purple are incidents that are not necessarily school related, and just happened on school grounds. From a murderer's perspective, school is a pretty convenient place to kill somebody- you don't have to go looking for them, and your victim will be almost completely defenseless- because for the most part, nobody there will have a weapon.

Accident related incidents happen because someone was being a moron with a firearm. LACK OF DISCIPLINE. Schools don't teach people about guns, so people often grow up without firearm discipline.

School Targeted: these are the incidents that I think of as "school shootings"- lashing out against society, they kill people at the school without discrimination. Without justifying these shooters in any way, I believe that public schools dehumanize young people and create their own monsters.
Suicide: There's probably nothing worse for someone with mental health issues than the godless hellscape of American Educational Institutions.

THEREFORE; the solution, I believe, is very simple, but there are too many people that wouldn't like it.

Stop letting schools be such a convenient place to murder someone. Have better security. "but we don't want the children to feel unsafe".... so, what do you do? You dilude them into thinking the school doesn't need security because it's inherently sooooo safe? That's retarded. The world is a dangerous place. They want to know they are safe because they are being KEPT SAFE because people will FIGHT BACK MURDERERS for them, and they are not just being herded up to be slaughtered.

FIREARM INSTRUCTION- People should be instructed in their fundamental rights; but schools would rather prey upon you by keeping you in a victim mentality. Then some people go into law enforcement or the military, or private security and it is the first time they have ever practiced with or handled firearms. That isn't how this country was meant to operate.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0362331917300241
The student-teacher ratios need to be lowered now. I really don't care what the excuses are for why it hasn't been done, or why it "can't be done", we need to bypass the bureaucracy, cut the red tape, and get it done.
Suicides- so, suicide is a complicated subject; but a lot of these school-shooters kill themselves after they kill their victims. I'd wager some of the suicide-victims who didn't kill others at least contemplated killing other people along with themselves: this is at least partially attached to the red commentary above.

While school-systems are supposed to be this thing that helps young people grow into adults, I find there are a lot of ways in which the school-systems play a part in agitating mental-health problems. Ultimately, I think the way we do education needs a complete overhaul- but lowering the student-teacher ratios in schools is a start.
 

ZNP

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https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-455

31% Grievance related
16% accident related
14% "school targeted"
11% suicide/suicide attempts
9% motivation unknown
7% domestic disputes
5% targeted victim
4% related to illegal activity
3% other

From what I understand the incidents in purple are incidents that are not necessarily school related, and just happened on school grounds. From a murderer's perspective, school is a pretty convenient place to kill somebody- you don't have to go looking for them, and your victim will be almost completely defenseless- because for the most part, nobody there will have a weapon.

Accident related incidents happen because someone was being a moron with a firearm. LACK OF DISCIPLINE. Schools don't teach people about guns, so people often grow up without firearm discipline.

School Targeted: these are the incidents that I think of as "school shootings"- lashing out against society, they kill people at the school without discrimination. Without justifying these shooters in any way, I believe that public schools dehumanize young people and create their own monsters.
Suicide: There's probably nothing worse for someone with mental health issues than the godless hellscape of American Educational Institutions.

THEREFORE; the solution, I believe, is very simple, but there are too many people that wouldn't like it.

Stop letting schools be such a convenient place to murder someone. Have better security. "but we don't want the children to feel unsafe".... so, what do you do? You dilude them into thinking the school doesn't need security because it's inherently sooooo safe? That's retarded. The world is a dangerous place. They want to know they are safe because they are being KEPT SAFE because people will FIGHT BACK MURDERERS for them, and they are not just being herded up to be slaughtered.

FIREARM INSTRUCTION- People should be instructed in their fundamental rights; but schools would rather prey upon you by keeping you in a victim mentality. Then some people go into law enforcement or the military, or private security and it is the first time they have ever practiced with or handled firearms. That isn't how this country was meant to operate.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0362331917300241
The student-teacher ratios need to be lowered now. I really don't care what the excuses are for why it hasn't been done, or why it "can't be done", we need to bypass the bureaucracy, cut the red tape, and get it done.
Suicides- so, suicide is a complicated subject; but a lot of these school-shooters kill themselves after they kill their victims. I'd wager some of the suicide-victims who didn't kill others at least contemplated killing other people along with themselves: this is at least partially attached to the red commentary above.

While school-systems are supposed to be this thing that helps young people grow into adults, I find there are a lot of ways in which the school-systems play a part in agitating mental-health problems. Ultimately, I think the way we do education needs a complete overhaul- but lowering the student-teacher ratios in schools is a start.
I think there is a much simpler and easier solution for any parent who is worried, and something they could do immediately. Homeschool
 

Lanolin

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in nz, they used to have firearms training for boys aged 12 when they would be conscripted to join the army.

I guess in the US that dont happen. Anyone can use a gun?
Or US people are idiots. They create the problem, then blame others for their poor behaviour.