Free from the law??

You aren't grasping the concept. Most of Jesus' words were spoken to those under the old covenant. He pointed to the new covenant, and revealed it to His disciples. Paul (and the others) unpacked it to make it clear to Gentiles, who were never under the Law. My relationship with God is only through the blood of Christ. There is only one true gospel. The "gospel" you apparently believe is no gospel at all, but a false message of salvation through works.

You only cause discord by preaching error. Paul was in error before he Christ revealed Himself. After, he was a faithful steward of the gospel. Try to separate Paul from Christ and you try to make the Scripture contradict itself; such is heresy.

I understand what you say, I like you, I believed in the gospel of paul but I was not comfortable with it because of the contradictions with the words of christ. There is only one truth! I searched in scriptures for answers and have found that the Gospel of Jesus is the only one that matters. Jesus is the only way to eternal life there is no other way.

As for the contradictions in scriptures, paul is the cause of that, not I. The 2 gospels are different , paul even called the gospel his own gospel;

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

It is Jesus by his words that will judge us certainly not by paul's words. paul changed many things that Jesus said making himself superior to the son of God. There are many more examples, but for today it is enough.

Jesus said in Matthew 7;
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The truth must be told, Peace.

We disagree. I hold that the Scriptures are consistent, and that the gospel Paul preached is the gospel that Jesus preached. You believe a message that is diametrically opposed to that. I think your message is heretical.

the bible is a assemblage if scriptures from different places
Different people writing the books of the bible, some are very clearly and totally inspired by GOD some others are not I believe the writings of paul to be faulty, a mix of truths and untruths and cannot be trusted due to major flaws, i will expose these certainly if i am not banned beforehand. so you know I am not the only one who know of this, the number of people seeing this also is increasing.

All i want is the truth to be known. Peace.

paul was a chosen witness of the only gospel just like Peter and John and the others. the issue is people read his epistles making specific points and correcting issues among them and think “ that’s paul preaching his own gospel .

Paul preached the gospel the one recorded in “the gospel according to Matthew mark Luke and John “

there is no “ gospel according to Paul there are only specifically addressed letters to address specific issues and even personal letters we call epistles

Paul preached this

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; ( gentiles and Jews ) and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

First Paul preached it to Jews

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

Then to everyone who came to hear it

…Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-24, 28, 30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s a witness to gospel and we don’t have much at all of what he preached unless we look at the gospel that is about Jesus and his kingdom

We don’t have a record of what Paul preached to them in person for instance we have the Ephesians epistle but before he sent that to them he did this among them as he was leaving hen he said

“Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:31‬ ‭

Later paul received news that they had questions and issues they wanted him to answer so he sent the epistle tonthe Ephesians who he had already for three years preached the gospel among them

a what I’m saying is Paul lives with them three years teaching them warning them ect later he sent a letter addressing certain issues they didn’t understand or werent doing right

it’s the same with Galatians and Corinthians he established a church group in an area by preaching in oerson the gospel amkng then for a few years fellowshipping with them teaching them doing miracles among them like Jesus did , and then later he moved on to spread the gospel to another area

son his journeys he was made aware of issues they had like Corinthians had a sin issue on thier chirch so he sends a scathing letter excommunicating one man and excoriating the rest for approving then he later writes a second letter instructions then to receive the man back and commending then for repenting by his letter which he was sorry to have to send them

a people seem to think Paul wrote a letter and hat earablisked a chi rich and that’s the gospel but no he preached it in person e same gospel of the kingdom we read in the four accounts of the gospel the epistles are for refining things we don’t understand from the gospel and addressing particular points to the church

there one gospel preached by Jesus and all his apostles of which Paul is one

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

romans church wasnt Paul’s doing he had never been to try e Roman chi rich yet he writes it in the letter but wanted to give some of his wisdom and revelation to them who hears the gospel from others likely Peter or John after they were imprisoned on Rome under Nero

At he epistles are wonderful and revelatory but they aren’t what establishes the gospel the four accounts of Jesus life ministry death resurrection and ascention to the throne do they all preached it it’s what apostles were commanded to do

My bad, I knew I should have elaborated but was pressed for time and left the task undone. However, as meditation on even one simple word often does, I'm led to other questions to ponder, especially since I was thinking all the way back to in the beginning when I had retrieved the 'surely' and brought it to this discussion. I should write them all down even though going all the way back may prove irrelevant in the argument towards the means of salvation, but it seems to me that it would have some significance in the way of coming short of it, even if any one of us could have kept the law entirely.
One of the questions, for example, I suppose that, somehow, Jesus refrained from 'eating from the knowledge of good and evil'? And if He was able to, how? And does this somehow explain His statement, "not even the Son knows, but the Father (apologies if I've misquoted this passage)?
And I'm not expecting any answers here as much as letting you in on how my study habits. I'm convinced of only one thing, Jesus is the only way of parting from the manly trails that lead to that "surely die," and the only way anyone need know to 'surely live."

I noticed in you posts, at the bottom of each post are two quotes from 1 John.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

His commandments that are required to be obeyed are listed by John in that first letter.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

I am not sure how you missed His two commandments?

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles.

Paul wrote a third of the New Testament.

Paul's letters were never in dispute in the first few centuries.

Even scholars today, and beyond any dispute, accept 8 of Paul's letters without reservation.

Church doctrine is sourced mostly from Paul's letters.

You unfortunately selected the wrong author to question.

Oh!
We will never come to agree about the law if we don't agree on what the law is.

Some are saying the law is the old covanant or was only for the old testament.

This is why we disagree..

No one is saying...make the law your burden, or save yourself by keeping it.

We agree about Christs righteousness covering our faulty natures. Justification by faith.

But we disagree about which law, if any, we follow...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

The law of Moses was added to the Covenant (Abrahamic Covenant) until the Seed should come.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19

• What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come

By saying “until” the Spirit is indicating the law of Moses was temporary.


We are no longer under the law of Moses, who was the mediator of that covenant, but are under the law of Christ, who is the Mediator of the New Covenant.


Under the law means under obligation to obey the law.

Under grace means under obligation to obey grace.


Grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace. Grace is the God given power and ability to do what we can not do without it; the ability to obey the Lord.

The ability to walk according to the Spirit, in which we are led by the Spirit, rather than being in bondage and a slave to sin that is in our flesh.







JPT

May I ask why IloveYeshua has been banned?

We are free from the Law of Sin (no longer a debtor to our flesh) and Death (the penalty of our sins past).
We are not Under the Law as though it is bearing down on us to do it or die but, under Grace (a relationship, initiated by the Father, secured by the Son in the finished work at the cross, where we can now listen to the Father and obey His voice.). So, we can come boldly to the Throne of Grace and find help in our time of need.
Cry out to the Father until you have peace. This is how you get to know Him. He is Faithful!