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Did you tell us any books outside the Bible you have read? Have you discussed any of those books with someone more mature in the Faith?
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Let's see... well I have read a lot of different books and a few that have made an impression on me are "Radical" by David Platt, "Passion and Purity" by Elisabeth Elliot, and some of David Bercot's books. The latter writes a lot about church history.
And yes I often have discussed what I read with others.
Like I said I know we can glean and learn from those who have learned more than we have. As long as it sound and rooted in scripture.
 
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I don't agree it's prideful to rely on scripture alone for doctrine. Maybe to Catholics, for example, it might seem that way because they get their doctrine from mother Rome and anyone who doesn't march in step with Rome is prideful. A person might be prideful and present their belief in scripture alone in a prideful way; but this sort of person would likely be prideful in their presentation of anything. Just believing in scripture alone doesn't make a person prideful.
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Correct it is the way they present Scripture Alone that is prideful.
 
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Sometimes, I recognize a paragraph that was copied from a book and google a sentence from that quote. I will ask them where they read that from. Then, the person is dishonest or at best forgetful and starts a Bible only rant just like the one already posted in this thread. Then in a post in that thread, I will post the link(not in driect response to the ranter) to where the paragraph came from. When someone posts a Bible alone rant in reply to a simple question like the one that started this thread. I see it as being very prideful.
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We live in a day and age where there are more easily accessible, Bible-related resources available than ever before, yet it seems to me that the harvest is perishing in the field as Christians just sit around getting more and more fed. That alone makes me question if what people are reading, watching, listening to, or feeding upon nowadays is really Bible-related at all. The harvest is plenteous, but the laborers certainly seem to be few.

Ecclesiastes 12:9
And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

Ecclesiastes 12:10
The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.

Ecclesiastes 12:11
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

Ecclesiastes 12:12
And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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Why do those who claim to be taught by the Holy Spirit come up with contradicting opinions? Would it not be more honest to say, I have learned also from teachers that God has given to the Church?

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11 And that same Christ gave these gifts to people: He made some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to go and tell the Good News, and some to care for and teach God’s people.

Question those who have not told us --- Now what books other than the Bible have you read and learned from???

It is prideful to think your intreptation of scripture is inspired by God.
 
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You don't need books to interpret the bible... unless you're talking about a lexicon, or concordance- but you don't get doctrine from any other source than the bible... that's just the way it is.

I mean, you can read Josephus or the other historical works for context, but you're not looking for doctrine anywhere else but the bible- you're praying and reading the bible... that's it.
 
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It is prideful to think your intreptation of scripture is inspired by God.
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How can you make such an outlandish statement? This is almost a sort of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, whom Jesus said would come to lead us and guide us into all truth. Would you rather that we let men interpret the scriptures for us as opposed to the Spirit of God? It seems to me that the very people who paved the way for the scriptures to be translated into the common tongues of the people paid a heavy price at the hands of such men.

1Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
 
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Do you agree Jesus is God is in the Bible? Assumming you do, have you ever read a book to improve your understanding of the Doctrine?
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To answer your question, yes Jesus is God and no, I have not read a book to improve my understanding.
No book written by man can improve what the Bible states.
I study and accept what is taught.
 
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Why do those who claim to be taught by the Holy Spirit come up with contradicting opinions? Would it not be more honest to say, I have learned also from teachers that God has given to the Church?

Ephesians 4:11
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11 And that same Christ gave these gifts to people: He made some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to go and tell the Good News, and some to care for and teach God’s people.

Now what books other than the Bible have you read and learned from???

It is prideful to think your intreptation of scripture is inspired by God.
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I do not interpret Scripture, and I do not need a book to interpret Scripture.
I read, study and believe what it states.
Your are the one insisting that we consider the "interpretation" of others.
 
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How can you make such an outlandish statement? This is almost a sort of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, whom Jesus said would come to lead us and guide us into all truth. Would you rather that we let men interpret the scriptures for us as opposed to the Spirit of God? It seems to me that the very people who paved the way for the scriptures to be translated into the common tongues of the people paid a heavy price at the hands of such men.

1Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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In discussion fourms, I have often encountered two or more people with contray understandings of Scripture, all claiming the Holy Spirit taught them that.
 
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To answer your question, yes Jesus is God and no, I have not read a book to improve my understanding.
No book written by man can improve what the Bible states.
I study and accept what is taught.
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So, you are denying that God gives the Church Pastors and Teachers??? to improve our understandings of the Bible?
 
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I do not interpret Scripture, and I do not need a book to interpret Scripture.
I read, study and believe what it states.
Your are the one insisting that we consider the "interpretation" of others.
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In discussion fourms, I have often encountered two or more people with contray understandings of Scripture, all claiming the Holy Spirit taught them that.
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And if one of those two or more who held the opposing views was correct in their view, then how would that be prideful in regard to the Holy Spirit giving them that proper interpretation? You're painting with way too broad of a brush in several of your comments.
 
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So, you are denying that God gives the Church Pastors and Teachers??? to improve our understandings of the Bible?
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You do have a real problem understanding.
Pastors and teachers are not men writing books for profit.
IF they are correctly doing what God has called them to do, they are LEADING in the study of God's Word, not offering opinions on what they believe it states.
 
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RichMan said:
You do have a real problem understanding.
Pastors and teachers are not men writing books for profit.
IF they are correctly doing what God has called them to do, they are LEADING in the study of God's Word, not offering opinions on what they believe it states.
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Are you saying your Pastor is not paid? Muzzle the Ox.
 
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Are you saying your Pastor is not paid? Muzzle the Ox.
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My pastor has a great retirement income and will not accept any pay.
The more you speak the more you show your great ability to make stupid statements.
 
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