"The last Adam." — 1 Corinthians 15:45

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"Jesus is the federal head of His elect. As in Adam, every heir of flesh and blood has a personal interest, because he is the covenant head and representative of the race as considered under the law of works; so under the law of grace, every redeemed soul is one with the Lord from heaven, since He is the Second Adam, the Sponsor and Substitute of the elect in the new covenant of love.

The apostle Paul declares that Levi was in the loins of Abraham when Melchizedek met him: it is a certain truth that the believer was in the loins of Jesus Christ, the Mediator, when in old eternity the covenant settlements of grace were decreed, ratified, and made sure for ever. Thus, whatever Christ hath done, He hath wrought for the whole body of His Church. We were crucified in Him and buried with Him (read Col. 2:10-13), and to make it still more wonderful, we are risen with Him and even ascended with Him to the seats on high (Eph. 2:6).

It is thus that the Church has fulfilled the law, and is "accepted in the beloved." It is thus that she is regarded with complacency by the just Jehovah, for He views her in Jesus, and does not look upon her as separate from her covenant head.

As the Anointed Redeemer of Israel, Christ Jesus has nothing distinct from His Church, but all that He has He holds for her. Adam's righteousness was ours so long as he maintained it, and his sin was ours the moment that he committed it; and in the same manner, all that the Second Adam is or does, is ours as well as His, seeing that He is our representative. Here is the foundation of the covenant of grace. This gracious system of representation and substitution, which moved Justin Martyr to cry out, "O blessed change, O sweet permutation!" this is the very groundwork of the gospel of our salvation, and is to be received with strong faith and rapturous joy."

-Spurgeon
 
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cv5 said:
"Jesus is the federal head of His elect. As in Adam, every heir of flesh and blood has a personal interest, because he is the covenant head and representative of the race as considered under the law of works; so under the law of grace, every redeemed soul is one with the Lord from heaven, since He is the Second Adam, the Sponsor and Substitute of the elect in the new covenant of love.

The apostle Paul declares that Levi was in the loins of Abraham when Melchizedek met him: it is a certain truth that the believer was in the loins of Jesus Christ, the Mediator, when in old eternity the covenant settlements of grace were decreed, ratified, and made sure for ever. Thus, whatever Christ hath done, He hath wrought for the whole body of His Church. We were crucified in Him and buried with Him (read Col. 2:10-13), and to make it still more wonderful, we are risen with Him and even ascended with Him to the seats on high (Eph. 2:6).

It is thus that the Church has fulfilled the law, and is "accepted in the beloved." It is thus that she is regarded with complacency by the just Jehovah, for He views her in Jesus, and does not look upon her as separate from her covenant head.

As the Anointed Redeemer of Israel, Christ Jesus has nothing distinct from His Church, but all that He has He holds for her. Adam's righteousness was ours so long as he maintained it, and his sin was ours the moment that he committed it; and in the same manner, all that the Second Adam is or does, is ours as well as His, seeing that He is our representative. Here is the foundation of the covenant of grace. This gracious system of representation and substitution, which moved Justin Martyr to cry out, "O blessed change, O sweet permutation!" this is the very groundwork of the gospel of our salvation, and is to be received with strong faith and rapturous joy."

-Spurgeon
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Right on brother!!!

All of our love and joy and hope are because we, the Elect, are IN Christ. From eternity past to eternity future - temporally speaking. Better put - we have always been in Christ and forever will be.
 
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The First Adam was made from the Natural ---the dust of the ground ----and became a living Soul ------Adam was fully grown ---a man ----when he was created ------he had one nature ------which was doomed to fail in obedience to God's Command -----

The Second Adam came from the Spiritual and took on the Natural in the flesh -----He was born from the womb of a virgin woman as a baby ------this gave him 2 full Natures -------human and divine ------This Divine Nature gave Him the ability to conquer sin and be the perfect Blood Sacrifice to take away the sins of the World for many who would receive Him ------

The First Adam was a type of Christ -----

Romans 5:14
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Yet death ruled [over mankind] from Adam to Moses [the Lawgiver], even over those who had not sinned as Adam did. Adam is a type of Him (Christ) who was to come [but in reverse—Adam brought destruction, Christ brought salvation].


The Second Adam was The true Christ -----and did what the 1st Adam could not do ---------
 
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that answers why He needed to be saved from death. He became our salvation through what He did in suffering death to save us. He is also our life. His Name Yahshua means Eternal Life and Eternal Salvation. John even refers to Him as Eternal Life in 1 John.

1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we saw, and our hands touched, concerning the Word of life 2 (and the life was revealed, and we have seen, and testify, and declare to you the life, the Eternal Life, which was with the Father, and was revealed to us); 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us. Yes, and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Yahshua the Messiah.

1 john 5:11 And this is the record, that El hath given to us Eternal Life, and this life is in His Son.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of YAH is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Yahshua Messiah. This is the true El, and Eternal Life.
 
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1Co_15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;

The Last Adam was made a Quickening [life-Giving?] Spirit."​

Amen.
 
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Something should be clarified here...

Jesus is the last Adam, not the second Adam.

We are all Adam...

Genesis 5:2
"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."
 
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GRACE_ambassador said:
The Last Adam was made a Quickening [life-Giving?] Spirit."
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"life giving" makes more sense because we're actually talking about the
Word of John 1:1-4 of whom it's said: In him was life; and the life was the
light of men.

1Cor 15:45-47 combined with John 1:14 is very useful for showing that the
Word now exists simultaneously as an external spirit being whose origin is
currently unknown, and a temporal material being whose origin can be easily
traced to David, and from thence to Adam and the very dust with which
Adam was constructed.

Ergo: Christ isn't a demigod, i.e. he isn't a singularity consisting of 50%
human and 50% divine; rather, he's a plurality consisting of 100% Man and
100% Word: two very different forms of life represented in one. (John 14:9
11)

* The Man was eventually elevated to the rank and name of God per Phil
2:9-11 but that's another story.
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* The Man was eventually elevated to the rank and name of God per Phil
2:9-11 but that's another story.
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The story becomes a bit confusing when we factor in John 17:5 which says:

"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began."

At first glance, that passage strongly suggests that Christ was a man before
he came into the world as a man. But that won't wash because Christ's
human origin is easily traced to David, and from thence to Adam and the
dust with which Adam was constructed.

It appears to me that although Jesus is the one speaking, his prayer isn't for
himself rather, it's for the Word who gave him his existence; which makes
sense seeing as how the Word relinquished his divine aspects when he came
into the world as a man. (Phil 2:6-8)

Christ is an extremely complicated person. It's nigh unto impossible to
understand his constitution from a practical point of view. I sincerely believe
his constitution can only be understood from a supernatural perspective, viz:
with help from someone above.

• Matt 11:27 . . No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows
the Father except the Son; and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal
Him.

• 1Cor 2:14 . .The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that
come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot
understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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the Father's Name YAHAVAH means Eternal Word. YAH means Eternal and "to Be" which can be ascertained from Hebrew words such as haYAH and others. many Hebrew words that have to do with existence have the sound YAH in them.

VAH means Authoritative Word as in saVAH H6680. other Hebrew words that have the sound VAH have to do with expression. Hebew word hava H1933 means to be and to breathe. we speak with breath. so that word has connection with verbal expression also.

So His Name points to and refers to His Son, the Eternal Word Who is the expression of Him.

Studying the word sava H6680 is revealing. it occurs 494 times and is translated "command" 430 times in KJV.
 
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also Hebrew word ahava H160 which ends in the VAH sound means love. Love is an expression. Eternal love is also in His Name YAHAVAH. Eternal Word, Eternal Breath, Eternal Love.
 
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As far as my understanding of the name, yod hay vav hey teaches , it is taken from the infinitive, hayah, which is transitive of to be.
Transitive means an aactive verb or one that does the action. Yaway is noun form of that verbe meaning ;;;;; Tow (will to be.

This is called a gerund.

Ergo, our Maker declared to moses, I will be what I will be.

Yahweh will be Father, Son, Holy Spirit or whatever is His need. All of the things you have printed here have nothing to do with the wor Hayah, root of Yahweh, however He will be anyo of the thing you have mentioned.
 
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JaumeJ said:
As far as my understanding of the name, yod hay vav hey teaches , it is taken from the infinitive, hayah, which is transitive of to be.
Transitive means an aactive verb or one that does the action. Yaway is noun form of that verbe meaning ;;;;; Tow (will to be.

This is called a gerund.

Ergo, our Maker declared to moses, I will be what I will be.

Yahweh will be Father, Son, Holy Spirit or whatever is His need. All of the things you have printed here have nothing to do with the wor Hayah, root of Yahweh, however He will be anyo of the thing you have mentioned.
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Please provide evidence from Scripture Hebrew words for the last sylable of His Name YHVH being Wey. Please show Hebrew words that use the sound Wey and present their meaning. If the sound Wey is in His Name then it would have precise meaning and be used in other Hebrew words.

you cannot refute the Hebrew words that were presented for Word and Breath and Love containing the sound VAH. There are many other Hebrew words that use the sound VAH that also point to those meanings in His Name.

Please present evidence for your position if you have it. Please provide the Hebrew word Strongs H number so it can be checked. thanks
 
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+I use the accepted transliterations which are found everywhtere. Being transliterations they may vary from one source to another, however how they are pronounced bear little influence on what they are saying.
 
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JaumeJ said:
+I use the accepted transliterations which are found everywhtere. Being transliterations they may vary from one source to another, however how they are pronounced bear little influence on what they are saying.
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that explains nothing and did not answer the question or present the evidence at all. typical.
 
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the evidence given and explanation for His Name being YAHAVAH is sharing from Scripture. A previous poster was speaking of the Son being the Word, which of course He is. Since the Name YAHAVAH means Eternal Word with the VAH meaning Word and Expression and command, it seemed appropriate to share His Name and meaning.

if you have evidence from Scripture with Hebrew words that Wey is the last syllable of His Name, then please present the evidence and the words. there is no subtantiation from Scripture for Wey being part of His Name that anyone has yet presented. Plus it does not have meaning that describes the Father or points to the Son as VAH does. there is evidence for VAH all through the Hebrew Scriptures in many words. there are 494 occurrences of sava H6680 alone with 430 of those translated command. that is just one word that uses the VAH sound. How about study that and other words before you pronounce verdict.
 
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evyaniy said:
the Father's Name YAHAVAH
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Of late I've begun to suspect that the Father has no personal name, and that
the God known in the Old Testament as Jehovah (a.k.a. Yahweh) is a
mysterious being who stands in for God, speaks for God, and speaks as God.

Abraham, Moses, the prophets, and even Cain; dialogued with God on
numerous occasions, but never by means of the Father's own voice.

• John 5:37 . . And the Father who sent me . . . You have never heard his
voice.

Apparently the Father resides in a secluded residence; and chooses not to
interact with outsiders person to person.

• 1Tim 6:16 . .Dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom
no man hath seen, nor can see

In Acts 7:53, Stephen said that the law given to the Jews by God was
instituted by angels. That's curious because it's very difficult to find celestial
beings involved with the Ten Commandments or any of the rest of the
covenant that Moses' people entered into with God. But we do find the name
Jehovah all through that event.

The Hebrew word for "angel" doesn't necessarily pertain to celestial beings.
It's somewhat ambiguous and can refer to anyone on a mission for God.

Well; the obvious choice for the identity of Stephen's angels has to be
Jehovah-- the mysterious being who stands in for God, speaks for God, and
speaks as God, viz: the Father's No.1 delegate, which we discover in the first
chapter of John's gospel is the Father's one and only direct descendant, i.e.
His next of kin who, in the distant past, was known as the Word, whereas
recently known as Jesus: the Word's human experience.
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Webers.Home said:
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Of late I've begun to suspect that the Father has no personal name, and that
the God known in the Old Testament as Jehovah (a.k.a. Yahweh) is a
mysterious being who stands in for God, speaks for God, and speaks as God.

Abraham, Moses, the prophets, and even Cain; dialogued with God on
numerous occasions, but never by means of the Father's own voice.

• John 5:37 . . And the Father who sent me . . . You have never heard his
voice.

Apparently the Father resides in a secluded residence; and chooses not to
interact with outsiders person to person.

• 1Tim 6:16 . .Dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom
no man hath seen, nor can see

In Acts 7:53, Stephen said that the law given to the Jews by God was
instituted by angels. That's curious because it's very difficult to find celestial
beings involved with the Ten Commandments or any of the rest of the
covenant that Moses' people entered into with God. But we do find the name
Jehovah all through that event.

The Hebrew word for "angel" doesn't necessarily pertain to celestial beings.
It's somewhat ambiguous and can refer to anyone on a mission for God.

Well; the obvious choice for the identity of Stephen's angels has to be
Jehovah-- the mysterious being who stands in for God, speaks for God, and
speaks as God, viz: the Father's No.1 delegate, which we discover in the first
chapter of John's gospel is the Father's one and only direct descendant, i.e.
His next of kin who, in the distant past, was known as the Word, whereas
recently known as Jesus: the Word's human experience.
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to say He does not have a Name ignores all of Scripture that says He does. In fact a Psalm says His Name and Word are above all. The Son praises His Name constantly. His Name is sounding throughout creation in everything constantly. unbeleiveable that a student of Scripture could arrive at such a conclusion.
 
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Psalm 138:2 I will bow down toward Your holy temple, And give thanks to Your Name for Your lovingkindness and for Your truth; For You have exalted Your Name and Your Word above all.

Psalm 138 is the Son's prayer. He even says to the Father in verse 7 that He will raise or revive or give Him life again, just as He asked for many times through Psalm 119. The Son praises the Father's Name in Psalm 138 as He always does and says in many Psalms and the Gospels.

Psalm 138:7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, Thou wilt revive(raise, give life to) Me: Thou shalt stretch forth Thine hand against the wrath of Mine enemies, and Thy right hand shall save(YAHsa H3467) Me.

His Name YAH is even in the word translated save. YAHsa H3467. look it up. do a search on the word Name and read the verses to see How important His Name is to Him. use the blueletterbible or some other Bible search tool. do some research before arriving at unfounded conclusions. present Scripture to support you views.
 
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Hallowed be Thy Name
 
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YAH is the sound of Eternal. Sound it out slowly. you start with breath through open mouth with lips and tongue open. your lips and tongue never meet and breath continues through the sound of the A and ending with the passing H. it is like a wind that is constant. His Name is throughout His creation. He created by His Name and Word. His Name is sounding in the smallest particles to the largest galaxies and the universe. His Name is all around us and in us.
 
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